How is 100mm pen against at most 80mm flat worse than 135 against slopped angled nightmares with easierly 100+mm of armor.
The M61 can basicly lolpen everything and does oneshot way more confortable than PzGr 39.
In a tank duel 80% is decided by the first shot so M 61 gives a huge advantage
Also axis tanks do not get stabilization paired with that mobility or a commander 50 cal.
If you can leverage the upsides of a chaffee than maybe it is just a skill issue and not an equipment issuee.
If you really want that M 61 for the chaffee than i would happiely support that idea but only if it moves into BR 3.
Do you want me to break down how 135 is more than 103 buddy?
Also guess what the post pen of the p4f2 which ur obsessed on being so long is leagues better than m72 solid shot. With a quicker reload. If having more explosive filler is a such a big downside, then by your logic current tanks using m72 are too weak since they use a round that doesn’t get post pen. So what is ur justification there?
I’m also curious how you can reason the m24 and m8a1 with m61 as better than say the pz4 f1 which btw is br 2 fyi.
Do I need to explain to you how at maximum 80mm frontal armor(50mm turret) is worse than the allied allied armor shemes?
Yes pls explain. Is there a tank at br 3 the pz4 f2 cant reliably pen when properly aimed?
Also ur argument rlly is counterproductive to the point ur trying to desperately cobble together as seen here
Is there a tank at br 3 the M 61 cant reliably pen even without being properly aimed?
Well let’s see: pz3n, pz4 h, pz4 j, and stug3g.
Also if you really want to epmeside that part then just properly aim with the solid shot and it also 1 shots just fine…
Now do me a favor and tell me. Is there a tank in the game the pz4h and pz 4 j can’t reliably pen? Even at br 5? And let me ask you another question: why is the pz4h and j by your logic ok at br 3?
Not saying they should be changed. I’m just curious how much ur line of reasoning changes whenever it’s not discussing the m24.
Ur silence speaks volumes
U kinda exposed urself as someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about when u used war thunder protection mapping
Easier than doing it in paint. While it isnt 100% fool proof it is still more accurate than trust me bro…
I looked through and all of ur br 1 examples are wrong: they only pen through the turret. And the br 5 examples are also incorrect as they pen a good deal more and reliable at that. Reliable means if u aim there it will pen. Now tell me. Name me a tank with a cannon that can’t reliably pen a Chaffee anywhere that isn’t 37mm aphe for its anti tank round.
Are we talking about a BR 2 or a BR 3 tank?
Armor beeing lacking is very common for BR 2 and actually very uncommen for BR 2.
In BR 3 on the otherhand it is actually a drawback worth mentioning as it actually contains some good armor.
Most tanks have a little more than a max of 45 mm of armor. The Chaffee is also so thin from the side it could get 50 cal. Now there may other tanks with while not the same similar armor. Pz4 f1 comes to mind. But you know what that has? A 3.3 second reload without perks. Not to mention more ammo.
So how are you gonna make the argument that with apcbc the Chaffee is op? In order for you to argue that you need to make a claim that it’s stronger than all the other tanks at br 2. Good luck with that.
Oh so terrible… such a weakness if only the axis actually had 50. cals to make use of that weakness.
Yes cuz this weakness I mentioned only applies to 50 cals and nothing else in the game. Pls use ur brain for like 2 seconds instead of desperately trying to find a hole without using critical thinking
But less pen, no stabiliser, less speed, less acceleration, solid shot levels of post pen damage,no commander mg,shared anti infantry and AT ammo so if you just spam you will still run out quickly…
Have you actually tried to kill a matilda or ACI with the 80mm HEAT by any chance? That always is fun…
This is talking about Chaffee without apcbc.
It doesn’t have less pen. Heat has superior angle penetration which is more important.
Stabilizer is almost entirely irrelevant in enlisted. Esp at br 2 when all the tanks save the t50 maybe are very stable.
Speed doesn’t matter. You have to drive a kilometer with the Chaffee on flat ground in enlisted to reach ur top speed.
Pz4f1 has 13.5 horsepower per ton vs chaffees 16.1. Hardly a difference.
Heat has better post pen as it will consistently do a jet from where it pens making ammo shots much more consistent then solid shot.
Oh no I don’t have a commander mg. If only there was a way for my commander to shoot at enemies without one….
Shared at and anti infantry ammo is an upside as you don’t need to reload a new shot when facing a different enemy then expected.
And yeah the 80mm of pen do deal with aci and Matilda just fine.
So half of your points were wrong and the other half is overhyped nonsense.
