Not showing for PS5. We get ignored like usual
You can still get the premium order bonuses on console.
As for the release date, nobody knows yet.
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Thats the issue. We not be informed.
The ppsh was announce for free (TT), but some players were crying.
Now it’s a premium squad. Thx for this !
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Thx!
Its not a fake, man. It was tested, there was some prototypes though.
Proof?
Well, guy who in charge about all rare weapons, told me:
Raised a question. In general, it’s a dark matter. It turned out that my photo of PPSH with Bramite is the same as you showed above, but in decent quality. On closer inspection, it doesn’t look like an obvious Photoshop. The idea of a magazine with an increased thickness for an elongated cartridge in this photo is correct. At the same time, a thick magazine for a special cartridge was installed on PPD-Bramit, which has a lot of information about it. It can be accurately stated that during the tests, PPSH cartridges for PPD-Bramite (cartridge case + light rifle bullet) were fired from PPSH
You can check his books here: https://www.chitai-gorod.ru/author/chumak-ruslan-461515
Also its some reports from some guerilla squads to send it them:
Chief curator of the armory funds of State Artillery museum Chumak says - they have this photo but in a better quality, so now we can ceratinly say - its photo from the arhives or museum. He also mentioned that, according to the documents, tests were carried out on PPSH with a special drum magazine for silent bullets - slightly longer ones. The photo is consistent on this issue.
An article in the Kalashnikov store states that the famous weapon designer Stechkin mentioned the ongoing tests of the PPSH with a silencer.
Thus, we have three fairly solid proofs about such tests:
A photo, the authenticity of which was confirmed by R. Chumak, a well-known researcher.
His words are that there are documents about the ongoing tests with the BRAMIT drum at PPsh.
3.And, thirdly, Stechkin, the designer of the APS pistol, according to an article in Kalashnikov mentioned the tests being conducted in early period of a Great Patriotc wat.
Three reliable reputable sources.
Now let’s turn on the logic - if we already have the BRAMIT PPD in the game, the ppd was a rare weapon that was practically impossible to produce in the second half of the war, and a silencer was installed on it in our game. So what about the PPSH, perhaps the most massive submachine gun in the history of weapons?
Of course, everything was installed on it and tested in a variety of conditions. Please do not spread lies and unverified information. Rely on reputable opinions and reliable photos.
We have a photo, we have a word of most notorious researcher - it was tested, we have a reports from a partisan front, we have a memories of Stechkin - well known APS pistol creator. Thats a real
In other hand we have some noname guy.
Hom you trust - its up to you. But the gun in game
•Black and white photos are notoriously easily to Photoshop.
•There is only 1 unconfirmed picture found on the internet
•The only proof of its existence comes from peoples memories
•if there are documents they will probably never be revealed because the gun was made in a very secretive country
3 “solid” points.
•1 researchers opinion on a photo isn’t proof
•documents that we haven’t seen, nor will we ever see. He could very well be confused by the ppd bramit tests
•again might be referring to the ppd bramit, also it’s just 1 persons word NOT proof
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You have:
- The opinion of one researcher contacted by you through private correspondance.
Private correspondance is not the equal of publicized information. You mentioned in the past that the guy had more information/research to be released, has that happened yet…?
In the words you provided, he only said that it wasn’t “obvious photoshop”, that is one hell of a vague statement with lots of plausible deniability. Words of a man who doesn’t want to publicly nail hos colours to a definative answer. Weak, is what I would call that.
- A museum curator saying that they also have a copy of the image.
That’s not the same as saying they’re the source, and indeed the wording implies he doesn’t want the museum to take credit for it (smart man), so actual source (and dating!!!) remains a mystery. Until a time when we know where and when it came from, the photo will remain worse than useless.
- And a third mention of testing doccumentation.
This is just the other two again, but with less additional information. Do we have access to these doccuments…? First guy you mentioned seems like he does, when will he release it…?
No one denies that the concept of a supressed PPSh was never tried. That’s not the same as this photo automaticly being authentic, though.
All you have a thereories and conjecture, nothing concrete to connect the dots.
We don’t have the physical weapon, we can not prove it’s actual authenticity, all you can do is say “well, we don’t think the photo itself is fake”, but we still don’t have a date or location for it, it could be a post-war experiment for all we know, the weapon itself might well be a non-fuctional mockup, or something faked in a shed.
Authenticating the photo as being photoshoped (still not done for certain) does not mean that items shown within are not themselves faked or functional.
Then, your baffling logic.
It only works if you can refer to the actual usage, at significant scale, of a supressed PPSh. Which you can’t because history doesn’t bear that out. We have other, more well known Soviet suppressed weaponry, with varying degrees of usage, but no PPsh. So, where are these weapons then, if your logic is applicable to reality…? Point to the combat reports, point to inventory reports… But you can’t, of course.
Also, as a counter hypothesis (because that’s what you created), why couldn’t you use surplussed gear for experimentation…? The Soviet military often pulled out dated equipment and put them into storage, whilst pressing new stuff into service. One could as easily say that since the PPD was being freed up anyway then that made it the perfect testingbed for supressors, because it didn’t matter if significant numbers of them were lost to experiments.
Pure conjecture, in other words, just a theory, otherwise you’d be sharing the testing reports, not the guys saying that they definetly exist and we just have to take your word for it that they support your exact claims.
You have not verified anything, either.
There will never be 100% proof that a weapon never ever existed under any degree, but you have yet to show substantial proof that this exact model of PPsh existing DURING THE WAR.
People keep repeating that, and the only thing you have are straws of information, which doesn’t prove this very concern.
It’ll remain fake, until actual proof is revealed. And utlimately, the burden of proof lies with proving that it existed, not proving that it didn’t.
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For an idiots? No proof. For a people who think, well its quite enough. Hino btw is fictional gun but I ain’t seen some cry like yours about lol
Its not from an internet, are you blind, Chumak says he have this photo but in a better condition, he’s a head of St Petersburg Artillery museum archive there all these gear
*For people who think…
*For a person who thinks…
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I’m sorry boys, I bring at this forum documents, devs will decide what to choose. But from you seen only some empty arguments based on your subjective opinion, which is not very interesting, I tell the truth. if there are counterarguments based on documents, I am waiting. I won’t even read the rest. so far, the score is 5:0 in favor of the presence of PPSH. Despite you like it or not.
Well, yeah, some meme, that’s all you can.
I mean, you can’t even release documents or ask the person to release documents.
Uploading something is very hard for thinking people.
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Well, its all in a web, also most authority man aprove it. Its not enough only for some morons.
Everything I post. A link, a tablet about report of ppsh bullets - some other moron says, oh its an article, bring me the photo of Chinese partisan at Reichstag with it. I already preorder that sweety - Maybe I can make a skin with a name Vikky on it, don’t you know?
You mean a list of books that have nothing to do with the subject?
A magazine that mentioned the gun once and stole a picture from a forum, which stole it from a museum, which apparently never released it?
A screenshot of a text where the thinking person of yours marked the SV(T)-40 but not the part where the PPSh was mentioned?
The documents we never see but exist?
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Well. Looks like you not good enough at russian. But I will help you translate guerilla report, pal:
successful. For example, in July 1942, one of the representatives of the Central Military District reported from the Bryansk forests to his superiors.: "Send devices for silent shooting to machine guns, SV-40, PPD and PPSh submachine guns, as well as cartridges for them. The effect of them here is huge.
I took in some research article about BRAMIT system - which was - well count with me:
On Mosin
On Nagan
On PPD
On DP-27
On SVT-38,40
Well, Sebs. It was at every main soviet gun, there is docs about all. And what about the king of massive production PPsh? Of course it was tested. No chance every other massive produced weapon even rare PPSlD was with silenced but most in use PPsh not.
Come one, Sebs. You always was a bit smarter then these boys, don’t be like them