Actually, I no longer believe the luftwaffe ‘didn’t exist’, during that time.
Not since I read Clostermann’s book where he stated very different numbers from British sources even much later than Normandy during the advance to the rhine.
Sorry sweetie, thats been debunked
Such a weird collection of stuff here… yet this fits in the clownworld called Normandy.
- Panzerjäger IV/ TD
- M1A2
- 100 Drum Thompson
- Bazooka M9A1 (with phosphor, which is weird. Does it mean we will get a anti-personal launcher or are we able to switch the ammo type?)
- Mkb42 (the description is also weird and feels like we could also get scoped one)
My guess is this:
Level 37: M9 / Panzerschreck or Panzerfaust 100
Level 38: M1A2 / Mkb
Level 39: Panzerjäger IV / M18 Hellcat
Level 40: 100 Drum Thompson / Kiraly 39M or another MP43/ StG scam
We should also consider that they could also introduce motorcycles and motorized infantry here… or worse, they give us more useless stuff like the M7 launcher for M1G or copy+paste from Berlin for the Germans.
Where?
And the P-61 is a twin engine plane with hardpoints for bombs, so why wouldn’t people use it for ground attack? I’m just applying your logic here, if you have an issue with it look in the mirror
In Enlisted, speed and energy retention is akin to that of Arcade in WT, where the Meteor’s acceleration wouldn’t matter quite as much
As I said earlier, neither the 262 or the Meteor should have ground pounding capibilities IMO if they were added to the game to make them less broken. The point is make it more of a choice to play the jets as opposed to the props. Also, the Tempest more on par with the Bf 109G-10 that is already in the game than the 262. Sure the Tempest can match the 262 theoretically, but the Meteor is far better for balance, is historically accurate enough for the devs and would be far more interesting.
Then why do the devs insist of adding everything in pairs for everything else? The only reason they don’t do that for Normandy is because German CAS by 1944 was so shit that they needed to offset it so that the American CAS wouldn’t be spammed as much.
Now you are just being contrarian for being contrarian’s sake. The M4a3 would have been fine, especially against the Panzer IV H.
Because it isn’t? They literally did fly missions on D-day over the beaches. Besides, the P-61 is interesting enough, with decent dogfighting capabilities like the Me 410 and it having the honor of being the only American aircraft to only have cannons as an offensive weapon.
Cause it’s a heavy, quite slow, cumbersome and expensive plane. Why use it instead of a P47, or any of the other thousands of more viable strike aircraft.
If we’re talking AB here, the Meteor’s max speed is a whole 7 higher. I’d say the acceleration matters a lot more then.
The 262 will have air to ground abillities with 4 30mms. The meteor won’t and literally can’t.
You always have a choice. But end game gear is basically always better in the end. And the difference here wouldn’t be that huge, partially due to the air-to-ground limitations of the jet(s).
Hmmm, is adding the Tempest that big of a deal then? It’s obviously a stronger plane than the Meteor here with it’s bombs and dogfighting capabillities, so maybe change it into a strike aircraft and it’ll be fine?
Yet less so then the (imo better) Tempest.
Imo not really.
Cause usually balance is needed. And stuff is usually unlocked with their squads, which obviously need similar equips. But there are levels, usually with only equips and not squads, when that is not done.
But not nearly as interesting as what I said. Just a copypasted Sherman noone cares about.
Alright then, tell me a source that says P61 divebombed at day during overlord.
Ummm, no it isn’t the only one. Some corsairs had them, the SB2C had them, and depending on the timeframe, even more. It isn’t the only one.
Besides, the RAF needs more stuff in Normandy than the 0 it currently has, seeing as they provided a decent portion of the allied air cover at the time.
Yet people still chose to use it as a strike fighter, as @Sharkzy64 has stated so it is evident that what you think makes a good strike fighter is at best misguided or just outright incorrect.
People care about the Panzer IV H for some reason, so I’m not sure your logic applies here. Sure, the IV H has the electric drive for the turret, but the M4a3 would be far less sluggish as well as far better for balance than either the Cromwell, and potentially the 76 Sherman depending on the variant added.
30mms do jack shit when strafing, the only gun that does anything when strafing is the Bf 110’s 37mm cannon so it will be fine.
Sure that could work but then the 262 would be completely OP. The meteor is the only real counter to the 262 that would leave any semblance of balance.
Doesn’t change the fact it meets the requirements.
There are always exceptions to the rules, but just because they exist doesn’t mean the rules can be voided for everything else.
The same source that says the Bf 110, Ju 188 and ME 410 undertook CAS missions during overlord, that being none of them. However, it is historic fact that P-61s flew missions on D-day as many of them had the high visibility stripes painted on all planes for D-day.
The devs tend to set British stuff to be set aside for premiums and I would expect something like a Typhoon premium in the future. The only reason I suggested the Meteor is because it is the only reasonable counter to the 262.
Still no real sources or solid arguments, just the same unreasosnable garbage all over again.
I could write a reply and have this continue for a month without it getting anywhere, but frankly, I don’t have any more time to spare for your bullshit. And if you have a life outside of this forum, you probably feel in a similar way.
If you have any solid sources for any of the claims made here, feel free to post them, otherwise just leave and do something else more productive then this with your time, cause i won’t bother with further replies.
I still stand by my original suggestion with the alternation of 24 anti-bomber rockets for the 262.
How about you actually look up some of my claims like I look up yours instead of just wanking off to pictures of the 262 like the Wheraboo you are. I spend the time to see where you get your ideas from, the least you could do is return the curtesy.
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I did try. Found nothing.
I doubt it, you literally search “P-61. Black Widow” on any browser and three images down you should get pictures of ones with the invasion stripes.If you cannot do that sort of research, I doubt you can do anything else.
Yes. They were in reserve and saw some night time usage.
Copied from wikipedia:
The 422d Night Fighter Squadron was the first to complete their training in Florida and, in February 1944, the squadron was shipped to England aboard the RMS Mauretania. The 425th NFS soon followed aboard the RMS Queen Elizabeth.
The situation deteriorated in May 1944, when the squadrons learned that several USAAF generals – including General Hoyt Vandenberg – believed the P-61 lacked the capability to successfully engage German fighters and bombers, being too slow. General Spaatz asked for de Havilland Mosquito night fighters to equip two U.S. night fighter squadrons based in the UK. The request was denied due to insufficient supplies of Mosquitoes which were in demand for a number of roles.[12]
At the end of May, the USAAF insisted on a competition between the Mosquito and the P-61 for operation in the European theater. RAF crews flew the Mosquito Mk XVII while crews from the 422nd NFS flew the P-61. In the end the USAAF determined that the P-61 had a slightly better rate of climb and could turn more tightly than the Mosquito. Colonel Winston Kratz, director of night fighter training in the USAAF, had organized a similar competition earlier. He said of the results:
I’m absolutely sure to this day that the British were lying like troopers. I honestly believe the P-61 was not as fast as the Mosquito, which the British needed because by that time it was the one airplane that could get into Berlin and back without getting shot down. I doubt very seriously that the others knew better. But come what may, the '61 was a good night fighter. In the combat game you’ve got to be pretty realistic about these things. The P-61 was not a superior night fighter. It was not a poor night fighter. It was a good night fighter. It did not have enough speed.[13]
However, on 5 July 1944, General Spaatz ordered a competition be held between the P-61 – using an example from the 422nd which had its Double Wasp radials carefully “tuned up” for the competition – against a Mosquito NF.XVII, and Lieutenant Colonel Kratz made a $500 bet in favor of the Mosquito being a faster and more maneuverable night fighting platform. The “tweaked” P-61 proved Kratz wrong, as according to the 422nd’s squadron historian it “… proved faster at all altitudes, outturned the Mossie at every altitude and by a big margin and far surpassed the Mossie in rate of climb.”[14]
In England, the 422d NFS finally received their first P-61s in late June, and began flying operational missions over England in mid-July. These aircraft arrived without dorsal turrets, so the squadron’s gunners were reassigned to another NFS that was to continue flying the P-70. The first P-61 engagement in the European Theater occurred on 15 July when a P-61 piloted by Lieutenant Herman Ernst was directed to intercept a V-1 flying bomb. Diving from above and behind to match the V-1’s 350 mph (560 km/h) speed, the P-61’s plastic rear cone imploded under the pressure and the attack was aborted. The tail cones failed on several early P-61A models before this problem was corrected. On 16 July, Lieutenant Ernst was again directed to attack a V-1 and, this time, was successful, giving the 422nd NFS and the European Theater its first P-61 kill.[citation needed]
P-61 at Étain-Rouvres Air Base, France with rockets mounted, c. 1944.
In early August 1944, the 422nd NFS transferred to Maupertus, France, and began to encounter German aircraft for the first time. On the night of 14–15 August 1944, “Impatient Widow”[b], attempted to intercept a Heinkel He 177A-5 of 5.Staffel/Kampfgeschwader 40, [c], flown by Hptm. Stolle. “Impatient Widow” had its starboard engine shot out along with oil lines and hydraulics, and went down north of Barfleur, Normandy. The downing was witnessed by two other Heinkels.[citation needed]
However, a P-61 shot down a Bf 110, and shortly afterwards, the squadron’s commanding officer Lieutenant Colonel O. B. Johnson, his P-61 already damaged by anti aircraft land fire, shot down a Fw 190. The 425th NFS scored its first kill shortly afterwards.
That’s it for it’s usage in Normandy. Do you have anything else to add to this which would confirm it’s use as a day time strike fighter during operation overlord?
The Bf 110 and the Me 410 were also not used as strike fighters, yet they are attacker aircraft in game so I don’t see a problem.
As for what they were used for specifically during Normandy, I couldn’t find anything definitive that would fully confirm or deny their use as such there.
Though with these there’s also the matter of balance to consider. Cause, would you rather see Fw-190F-8s with 1000kg bombs?
No I’m not saying that, I’m just saying that the P-61 would be fine as no one has any objection to the Bf 110 and the ME 410, despite not being on any CAS missions. As for reports, the only reported action for any German aircrafts in the skies of France during Overlord are Fw 190s sent to intercept Allied aircraft, but there are sketchy reports from strategic bomber crew that say they saw both during the timeframe of Overlord. As for balance, there is no need for the 1000kg bombs, the 1x 250kg and 4x 50kg bomb for both the Fw 190 F or D variants works as that payload about equals that of the P-51 D-5.
Misunderstood my point but ok.
And no, I do not believe that is the only action german planes took. Don’t wanna dig through stuff for sources but I know I heard Fw190s undertook CAS missions as well. 109s also undertook anti-fighter duties.
So this:
Is simply not true.
I have not seen any sources that state anything other than Fw 190s flew during Overlord, and all of them state that they were to counter the Allied CAS aiecraft, not to do CAS themselves.
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Then look better.
Goodbye
I could say the same thing to you. You unironically believe the Luftwaffe had any real operational ability in 1944 despite every acreditied historian stating the contrary. When you get your head out of whatever Wheraboo dream world you currently live in, then we can have a productive conversation.
The one person who said my source for the luftwaffe’s late war operabillity of allied fighter ace’s Pierre Clostermann’s book, ‘The big show’ was wrong refused to reply when I asked him for his sources.