The problem is that, it’s not actually a bomber. It’s a strike aircraft. And was historically used as a fighter. And thing is, the IL-2 has the anti-air abillities on top of being equal at anti-ground to the stuka. Partly also due to the fact that it can defend itself. Tbh, the difference is that the stuka is more forgiving to noobs, as the large bombs allow you to destroy armor and get kills without needing precise aim. But if you learn to aim, you will see that the IL-2 is much better at both anti-infantry and supporting it’s team by halting enemy pushes.
Seems someone doesn;t know how to use Stuka, it’s a flat out superior CAS plane
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Oh man. Thread starts out about a Sniper rifle.
Goes to talk about in game models and other weapons systems. Now we are onto planes.
I figure by the time I get home from work tonight it will be about the Flying Spagetti Monster (salute to my fellow FSM believers!) and lizard people.
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As for the SMG, I’d rather go for the ZK-383, It already exists in the game and is an awesome weapon - it has high fire rate, literally no recoil when prone and bipoded and not much more when just prone.
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In what way?
Destroying tanks? Yes. It’s easier.
Anti-infantry? No. It has a bigger boom and can get you a large multi kill, but the rockets can kill an entire squad with one salvo. And you have 4 of those + bombs.
Infantry support? No. The stuka dumps it’s bombs and then takes 3 years to come back. The IL-2 can sit above the battlefield and canstantly lay down ground fire, thus stopping enemy pushes and softening defense.
And then you have the fact of it surviving much longer on avrage.
+I don’t need to learn how to use a stuka, as I’ve got the bf-110, which is better in every way. It’s faster, better at anti-air, better at anti ground, and takes up a less valuable plane slot.
i know we are limited in options. but i would rather not have to grind for the same gun again
I like the idea, but under one condition. If you wanna take the sniper MKb 42(H) from the Germans, you should also permanently fix the scope to the sniper AVS-36 - there already is one AVS-36, no need for another one (with more ammo).
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Erma EMP then?
Its a pretty decent gun. Not PPsh Levels but its stable and fun to use.
.>Acting as if the rockets are P47 tier
.>Caring about versing a fighters in Enlisted
.>Having AT capabilities not on top of the list
.>Caring about the extra miliseconds you might need to re arm
XD
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And you can wipe the entiere team with 450kg of bombs or even the 500kg version.
Because definetely the IL2 doesnt take up a similar ammount of time
Yes yes 20mm - super effective 
If you would be taling about 30mm, 23mm or 37mm guns, i might agree, but 20mm cannons are not good at AP work, unless you are lucky and a squad is randomly in 1 place.
If you have the timing of bombs droping right, then yes. But since you vant dive bomb unless you like trees, and if you dont dive bomb you cant get insane killstreaks
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I mean sure, but I feel like it is kinda in “the previous SMG unlock is good, so I’ll save silver orders for the next unlock which is close and is better” position so people don’t seem to play it at all, and it would do very well in Moscow - every extra fire rate is needed against the PPSh and PPD.
“Umm actually its not miliseconds the IL2 rearms 6 seconds faster”
Excuse me fire but the thicker ammo will def increase his chances of killing enemies XD
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slightly better. but its still a premium in normandy. i would rather have something unique, but there might not be any other smgs widely used in moscow
They’re actually really good. try them. They have as much power as a 50kg bomb + easier to aim.¨
You still see them in moscow. The IL-2 is enough of a threat to the stuka to be considered as a ‘fighter’ and the germans love their 109s and 110s.
Not really. You only need them to deal with a greyzoning T50. Rest are easily erasable via detpack or pz4.
YOu don’t get what I’m saying do you? The IL-2 can stay up and lay down fire for longer, thus needing to reload less.
Ore just 1 tap with K98k like me, or even better option - FmW41. Allied mains brains turn from a dumpster to a dumpster fire when attacked by a competent flametrooper
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All of your points in summary
i am fine with MP-40 and MP-35/i, berretta with a proper ammo capacity would be nice but the cunts gave us 20 rounds, it shoudl have been at least 30 and normally 40, the ZK would be nice and would get aplce in the cmapign trees if it was in production back then
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If they’re all in one spot, which rarely happens. With the rockets you waste less power. + you need accurate marks for the bombs to work. Otherwise you’re just guessing.
It doesn’t need to rearms as often though.
What are you talking about? 20mm does well against infantry. And you don’t need it against tanks. In case you don’t know what ‘soften up defense’ means - it’s to weaken points and fortifications.
What do you mean? Tell me how a stuka is better than the 110. It’s not in any way.
yes, having to defend yourslef is something very useful as a plane- especially since you dont have to rely on your teammates to defend you
you can also keep the skies clear of enemy attackers, making life better for your infantry
if not that you can still starfe on your attack/return trip, maybe getting a few extra kills