Here’s my problem with all this: your suggestions would be fine if this was a tank vs tank game. But it isn’t. I’d argue anti-infantry effectiveness is a higher priority than anti-tank, because it allows your team to push no matter how heavily fortified a location is and infantry can deal with any tank given the opportunity. However, the opportunity is where the real problem lies since most tanks in Normandy like to stay well within the gray zone. This means you have no other choice but to either get a higher level tank on the field or use an aircraft which might or might not destroy the tank.
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M8 can punch the Panther with its HEAT
Its HE is also absolutely fantastic
Your crew will get sniped off, but if you stay far back you can still do work
That would only happen once again if the devs refuse to give the allies a tank that can actually handle it
not naming any other big cats in normandy
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I’d argue the Tiger is weaker than the Panther. Sure, the Tiger has better post-pen damage and reverse speed, but other than that the Panther has a lot more advantages.
Tiger 1 has much much better gun handling
and is basically indestructible when properly angled
I made one of my own a while ago where I tweaked tanks and planes. I’ll post the link, but I’ve tweaked it a bit, so I’ll share it here:
I kept the Scott becasue I like it in War Thunder, and the Stug A is a pretty good counterpart, so thats why I kept it. I Initially had Hetzer in the place of the Jagdpanzer, but after some one corrected me and told me that Hetzer was exclusively eastern front, I switched it to a Jadgpanzer IV.
Here is the link to the original:
Potential Solution to the Normandy Vehicle Problem - English speaking section / Suggestions - Enlisted
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I don’t think Lee was in Normandy.
No M3 Medium was in service outside of a training role by 1944, whether that be the Lee or Grant.
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So you’re trying to tell me the Panther isn’t indestructible when properly angled? Then why do I see so many allies players complain about the Panther? At least the Panther has angled armor so it’s more effective.
No the Panther is even worse off when angled
Allied players are bitching because only the M8 (at great risk) and M10 (also at horribly great risk) can pen the Panther’s turret frontally
While the Panther can lolpen them anywhere at pretty much any possible range in game
This wasn’t the case with the Jumbo when every German tank sans the 3N could pen the MG port or just sit there and tank the shitty AP the Jumbo gurgles out
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Apparently the 3N could also pen the mg port at close distances but it was still mobile enough to get to the side 
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I understand that much, but I still don’t find it convincing enough. Mainly because if the Jumbo can hide it’s MG port, there’s nothing most german tanks can do to it at that point. Even thought it does have bad AP, if it turns into a staring competition the Jumbo is at an advantage because for example, a Pz IV’s turret front can still be penetrated every once in a while, while the Jumbo’s turret is just never going to take any damage. Meanwhile the Jumbo could just decide to farm infantry instead which it is really good at. Imo the real problem is with the pairings. For example if the M10 was at the same level as the Pz IV H people wouldn’t have had the Jumbo problem, and if the Jumbo and the Panther had an opposing counterpart people were satisfied with there’d have never been a problem.
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I wouldnt say remove the M8. Have them both unlocked, the sherman and the M8 so a player could chose
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Nah, M8 is fine, just difficult to use on the beach maps. It’s a niche vehicle that needs to be played in a very specific way, but so will the Stug. The HEAT from both will also make them able to fight any tank, even the highest level ones…
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There’s really no hard cover for the Jumbo to hide his MG port in Enlisted that isn’t a building that blocks an entire hemisphere he can look
Jumbo should have just come as the 76 Jumbo or some shit with the Tiger 1 being the counterpart
Jumbo can punch Tiger
Tiger can punch Jumbo
Absolutely zero issue and it opens up things like the Panther and other heavy American shit later on
Idk wtf they were thinking with the PzIV H being the Jumbo’s opposite
Panther situation is Jumbo but with a good gun and better armor
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Exactly. This is why I actually really enjoy this whole thing, because back then the Allies said “Jumbo is fine, Axis mains cry” and now the same people have the same issue with the Panther as Axis players did with the Jumbo. I really do hope eventually DF will fix this (I like playing both sides so I’d be happy if they could balance things well), but for now I’ll just enjoy the irony of this situation. Though this doesn’t mean I’ll ever accept how the gray zone currently works lol.
It’s silly but right now, the best tank experience I have… is in Berlin of all places. They tweaked it a bit so the pz4 seem to not explode immediately and good t34 drivers can take out panthers without too much difficulty… it’s fun here because it’s balanced. The next tanks not yet implemented (Is1 and tiger1) even seem pre balanced vs each others…
Why didn’t they do something like this in Normandy? The maps are amazing for tank play in Normandy (Exept dday. Dday really sucks) but the tank balance is all over the place… 
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Yea thats why Berlin is good with balance. Even the best tanks will be able to be not too hardly killed by starters
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yes i agree that it needs a rebalance but why are you adding tanks that did not where not in normandy?
M3 lee was already obsolete by the invasion of Sicily in 43 and there werent any in normandy. and the hetzer started being used late in 44 maybe late november if not later… we already have caffee, jumbo and panzer iv J with ostketen, why keep ruining the immersion? many players play this instead of CoD because it has a balance of game play and realisim.
and m8 in the right hand can one shot a PZ IV so its far from useless…
as for balance in my opinion
M4a2 vs STUG (both most armoured vehicles in service so should be the easier to unlock)
then
M4 with 105 vs Panzer IV j
M4 76 vs Panzer H
then since US did not have any heavy armour to counter panther they could put hellcats, highly mobile and with WT physics, no armour best armour haha
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if they gave the M8 scot & M10 gmc Commander the ability to to take cover rather then been exposed all the time those vehicles would be far more playable
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