My take on Jumbo in Normandy

[SHIGUDUOFA1989]

egg brother understands the nature of the long march that you are playing
you are a wrecker and deflect your lack of intelelctual prowess onto persons above you
in twenty years huawei will monitor your internet traffic and i will be your landlord

[T0HRU]

@_31420124242011

What kind of strawman are you trying to argue against here?

you thought it was strawman so i explained it why it is not

[_31420124242011]

Three fucking hours ago
I didn’t ask for another wall of schizophrenic ramblings after that

[SHIGUDUOFA1989]

he is an insect

[T0HRU]

this is just wild debate of course there is no questioning everyone are just countering argument each other endlessly

except you never accept any feedback, like

• why are you against tiger getting added
• you explaining why
• i give counter argument why are you wrong in most rational way
• iM nOt ReAdiNg AlL oF tHaT

lmao dude, such move, unbelievable
then you only reply the stuffs that are irrelevant to my counter argument

[_31420124242011]

@35601120

this is just wild debate of course there is no questioning everyone are just countering argument each other endlessly

Yeah
That’s like 90% of the fun on the forums

@35601120

why are you against tiger getting added

I wouldn’t be against it if the US got something like the M10 much earlier on. The Tiger is a much stronger beast than the Jumbo ever will be and saying they’re equivalent is outright delusional. The Firefly would be a great match for the Panther/Tiger 1 too.

@35601120

i give counter argument why are you wrong in most rational way

I don’t care to acknowledge your counterpoints because they’re wrong more often than not

[T0HRU]

@_31420124242011

The Tiger is a much stronger beast than the Jumbo ever will be and saying they’re equivalent is outright delusional

i literally just explaned it why it’s not OP objectively, guess your didnt read that part

also, elaborate

[_31420124242011]

Skimming through that
Were you saying the 75 can pen the Tiger 1s turret front?
If so, that pretty much invalidates whatever you say for me
Much better guns than the 75 M3 fail to pen the Tiger 1 mantlet even with good pen
And the game uses WT rules and the 75 M61 shot with 103mm can’t pen the hull of the Tiger 1
M72 doesn’t have a chance in hell especially with how lacking the post pen is
Tiger 1 can just click on the Jumbo in reply

[Ralin]

Just aim the machine gun, man.
Count to 5, if you don’t aim and kill, the jumbo shoots you in the turret and kills the gunner, while the new soldier takes his place, the jumbo takes another shot. Good luck.

[T0HRU]

@_31420124242011

Were you saying the 75 can pen the Tiger 1s turret front?

well, Im gonna use your own spell against you

@_31420124242011

You can go and see that it does on your own end on your own time
That’s a fact. That is not opinion.

@_31420124242011

shoot the tank where the indicator is green

@35601120

you can just make suggestion to replace jumbo AP to APCBC and get 106mm armor pen which is enough to pen front armor

M61 is HE filled (APHE)

[Ralin]

So the jumbo is invulnerable to 3N head-on?

[_31420124242011]

@35601120

well, Im gonna use your own spell against you

Oh I know it SAYS it can
And most likely should
But WT models the mantlet as a black hole for shells. So unless DF fixes that, its still a no go.

@35601120

M61 is HE filled (APHE)

I know, they flipped the pens on M61 and M72 in WT and it still doesn’t pen.
M72 is the uncapped solid shot

@5537424

So the jumbo is invulnerable to 3N head-on?

I haven’t had any luck penning the MG port with the 75, but you can nuke it through the undercarriage from the side easy peasie

And before you go “but this isn’t WT”
It’s built off WT tanks and shares the same flaws

[Ralin]

it means that the tank is completely invulnerable to at least one tank. In another thread there is a man who tells that it is easy with 3n in the forehead, judging by your words (and my experiences) he is lying.
Go back to my picture and aim your mouse at the jumbo. Were you able to hit the machine gun and penetrate it?

[_31420124242011]

I’ve only tried to shoot the MG port so don’t disregard what he says just because I can’t do it or haven’t tried
›Invulnerable
You can still kill it from the side and the Jumbo really can’t do shit to the PzIII in return unless you want to try and needle people for five minutes.

[Ralin]

Are you still aiming at my picture? Jumbo has already killed you three times.

[_31420124242011]

All you have to do is turn your mouse’s DPI down and you can do it fine, yes.
Nevermind that we’re completely ignoring the reality that M72 can’t pen the PzIIIN except a couple of spots thanks to the handy spaced armour.

[Ralin]

Do you think the pixel in the picture I suggested you hit is adequate (there it is highlighted in red, in the game it merges with the hull). Take into account the bushes, the smoke, the roughness. And if you think you hit - you have not hit, because the sights of the tanks are constantly shaking for some reason. At a distance of 100 meters it is impossible to aim because of the shaking.

[_31420124242011]

Yes, because I’ve done it cross map in WT where you don’t get the indicator and the Jumbo is covered in bushes

@5537424

And if you think you hit - you have not hit, because the sights of the tanks are constantly shaking for some reason. At a distance of 100 meters it is impossible to aim because of the shaking.

[Ralin]

The 50mm turret, all yours, shoot time after time as the crew moves in there and you kill it. 90mm penetration vs. 50mm turret.
Are you seriously comparing 1 pixel and the WHOLE turret which you always see because if you can’t see it, the enemy can’t see you?

[_31420124242011]

@5537424

The 50mm turret, all yours, shoot time after time as the crew moves in there and you kill it. 90mm penetration vs. 50mm turret.

90mm pen with pixel wide post pen, yes
You can hit the turret all you want, but if it doesn’t do anything upon penetration it doesn’t mean shit