I see your point, but I’ll have to agree with Joe here.
Weapon ranks matter much more than soldier ones. For example: Would you rather take a basic tier 1 soldier with a full star FG42 or a perfect tier 3 soldier with your favourite perk loadout that has a 1 star kar98k?
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Wait, would you seriously actually take a kar98k nade launcher over an FG42?
I have 5 star soldier with nice perk and a stock fg42
I still have soldiers with mp40 and a zk383 despite having stg unlocked; in Berlin I still have an engineer with the kreigsmodelle and some soldiers with vg-2s despite having fg42 unlocked. So yes I would use rifle grenades over fg42
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You’re either weird or broke.
best BA in berlin
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Exactly. A basic soldier, which is cheap af to level is good enough without needing to be replaced by expensive high tier stuff (and can be recycled into newer squads), while weapons need to be replaced. hence why you need more upgrade parts for weapons than soldiers.
Just weird
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so you would rather spend a week grinding a tier3 squad and spend maybe 100-150 more bronze orders for weapons for a single fg42 to improve stability
(not necessary in my opinion and this also applies to stg, avt, ppsh etc.)
than when you can just upgrade a tier 1 soldier to
lv4 with the recoil perk doing the same.
I remain with my opinion that upgrading certain weapons is just a waste and there are much better alternatives using soldier class specific perk
(and I don’t even retrain the soldiers I use the perks with I get random because for me is useless upgrade a weapon that is already op of its own)
Hitpower exists and is pretty important. 12 and 14.4 is quite a difference.
Which takes barely any orders.
Weapons with which hitpower or rof matter are worth upgrading. Spread can also be important on some weapons.
And the fact that it takes a lot of orders to upgrade a gun and you need to do it over and over cause you keep unlocking better alternatives, while you can buy and level up a rank one soldier for barely anything and keep it for the whole game only helps the argument of us needing more weapon orders than soldier ones.
For STG and PPSH it matters as both hitpower and rof upgrades combined decrease ttk to the point where it’s better than vitality perk for cqc.
For 12 hitpower rifles upgrades are necessary to give them usable performance at range.
with the BA yes with the automatic weapons that fill you with 15 rounds in 1 second no
from personal experience on four levels it always comes out to you, you just have to be unlucky not to get it or not to take it in exchange for another
this applies to weapons like SA / BA / T1SMG a normal FG42 / SVT / MP43 / M2 / Thompson / BerettaM38/PPSH are lethal and precise already upgrading them does not make them more lethal only more manageable which can be obtained by combining different perks
Exactly. The player controls the soldier, it’s the player who aims, so even a 1 star soldier can be lethal. A stock weapon however… has artificial dispersion that is corrected only by max staring it… or artificial unrealistic rof cap that gets bearable only max stared… etc.
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Having to hit 2x to down someone and downing them immedietly is a difference.
While they are very lethal straight away, thus not making upgrades absolutely necessary, upgrading them makes them a whole lot more lethal, so in no way is it useless. If you don’t believe that then you simply have never used a fully upgraded high tier weapon.
Joe your stock example are low level weapon with high dispersion like T1SA or T1SMG because theu are low level weapon have this problem but a high level one dont have this problem anymore so you upgrade her only for make her a little stronger nothing else
Or you want say now a stock berettaM38 is like an mp28?
Wrong.
Take Moscow sa rifles. They are what, 5 or 6 stars? Pretty worthless without upgrades. Same as semis in Tunisia… they are 6 stars! It’s why I keep using carcanos.
I dont say upgrade is usless i say is not necessary because high level weapon are already good,
Obviously im not here to stop no one to upgrading im only point from my experience in general wasting time and resources in them not repay at all
Wrong i use the stock version of them and are pretty good if you shoot every time the weapon resets, obviously if you spam the shot even with the nerfed rate of fire you miss a lot from distance, upgraded or not
Hmmm…
Well, in my experience it matters a lot. So different people have different experiences and opinions, it just seems that currently yours seems to be in the minority.
I do respect it though, but I still disagree. With handling you’re right, but for me handling is less important than numbers (rof, hitpower, spread), meaning that I value weapon upgrades more than soldier ones.
But, to get back to the point, I believe the devs should double the bronze weapon order income to match soldier orders. Do you agree or what issues do you have with it?
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I’m talking about artificial dispersion. Even starter ba got it. Even if you’re prone, didn’t move and aim perfectly, dispersion may f you up from afar…
But my point stands: a 1 star soldier with a good accurate weapon is more useful than a 5 star soldier with a stock weapon (there’s no soldier perk that makes weapons more accurate or damage more).
Therefore I’d love getting as many bronze weapon orders, the same way as troop ones, as we need much more of them:
- for equipment
- for vehicles
- to make underperforming weapons good, like any semi.
While bronze troop tokens are…
- to lvl troops. That’s it.
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I respect yours I was explaining mine and they are incompatible that’s okay I don’t care about the rate of the drop of the orders I have no problem if they increase or duplicate it, this is in any case subjective to the player who spends them so they if it is really necessary should increase and make everyone happy
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