MG dispersion test

@Rickyd123 are you trying to control the recoil?
this is your bara2
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mine:


40* shots full auto :expressionless:

seams on point where the sight was.

Some things changed since the mg nerf. I remember when the mg13 used to be a laser gun. Not that I’m complaining, it was a super auto assault rifle and didn’t make any sense.

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yes i was, sometimes a bit too much but i was trying to do so, i was also firing from the grass

here?
mine 60 shots


yours

it looks the shots goes exacly where i m aiming at , even tho the recoil pathern seams random, i dont notice no dispersion from where my eyes saw when shooting ^:|

Is everyone using the same upgrades?
At least the -15% dispersion or lack thereof

i choosed the lowest leveled ones.

just to keep the results on the same level

his:

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mine:
test 1


test 2:

the bullets go, exacly where the aimpoint jumps around.
i just notice clear dispersion on semi auto rifles at long long ranges.

its noticable, if you do the same practise on a closer target. the bullets just go where the point is at full auto.
on semi. and single shot with the same guns. there is desviation.

you’re still aiming at a different target than he was, even if you’re firing from the same position. greater distance=greater dispersion.

oh i see. lemme check then

also, fg42 II full auto its just a stright line up


lol, this gun is so broken…

and no, i dont notice bullet disperion in auto. bullets go, where the front sight is.
on semi, or single shots, yes, there is clearly a bullet desviation per tap.

on auto, no.

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it could also be that i’m not that great at this game, decent maybe but great is something i’m not

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mg34 75 round :

50 meters full / 50 meters tap fire (20/21 shots or so) / 20 meters full.

Okay, so, lots incoming. I’ve repeated the tests, better in keeping with @Rickyd123’s methods. First, where you @Shiivex went wrong, if you were trying to replicate his test to compare your results.

You were shooting at the wrong target, yours is on the left here, his in the middle of the screen

you seem to be using the same firing point, close enough, but his target is 20m farther than yours, which will affect the degree of observed dispersion and how easily a player can control the recoil to stay on target


I replicated the original test to the best of my ability, with the BAR A1, A2, and Bren, on the appropriate 75m target. Probably do more later, but I didn’t want this to take all night.

M1918A1

M1918A2

Bren Mk II

That’s about as scientific as we can be within the confines of the game. In order to honestly compare results and get any kind of meaning out of it, we have to perform the test the same way. Additionally, there’s a variable we can’t control for: there’s no constant for how well different players compensate for recoil. In an ideal world, we could artificially eliminate recoil with a machine rest and just dump mags to see the dispersion patterns at different ranges, but we’re not so lucky.

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True.

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Can I make a request? :sweat_smile:

You said there’s dispersion on semi auto’s. Could you please compare the FG42 to FG42 II? Genuinely curious if they have the same or different accuracy stats.

Yes…I’m the same person behind this post so would love to finally see the results :slight_smile:
https://forum.enlisted.net/t/does-fg42-ii-have-less-dispersion-than-fg42/26935/13

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fg 42 fully upgraded left
fg 42 II without 1 star right


random fg42 II auto:

yes, fg42 II does have less dispersion in semi. and way less recoil in auto.

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That is very helpful thanks! Case solved :male_detective:.The difference is incredible, even more so given your FG42 II doesn’t even have the final -15% shot deviation.

As @8383908 said, an accuracy stat on stat cards would be incredibly helpful. Recoil doesn’t tell the whole picture.

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In theory we could measure MoA on our own, but we would need to figure out the right methodology.

A mortar would be used for (within 1m) precise rangefinding.
Mark the target you’re shooting at and pull out the mortar and it’ll give you a distance.

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We’d mostly just need to come to one common understanding, one common assumption, and do the work.

The farthest targets on the practice range are 90m(100yds) from the bunker as measured by mortar squad marker reading. If we used this target for semi-auto and manual gun accuracy testing, and use SAE units instead of metric, 1MOA= practically 1 inch/ 100yds, and we’d only need to establish a community standard for how big each ring in the targets are to get our measurements. We could choose a closer target for autmatic weapons testing, so that all the rounds fired stay on the paper, but those test are generally less scientific because we can’t account for player skill at compensating for recoil or the randomness of bullet dispersion within a set cone that moves every time the weapon fires.

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For MoA you could just fire single-shot with machine guns, though it wouldn’t account for the known phenomena of accuracy getting worse when you’re moving.

Only problem I can see is the OVP having such a high RoF you can’t single-shot it.

For the ones that have semi-auto settings, yeah, and I think that’s probably the only measurement for stationary dispersion we’d need. When fired in auto, the recoil changes the point of aim every time the weapon fires, and how well we compensate for recoil determines how close the new cone is to our original point of aim. I’d bet that increased dispersion in full auto is just the base dispersion increased by our input and recoil, and we don’t have the tools to test that hypothesis.

That’s why I don’t think it works for weapons without semi-auto settings. We could still aggregate the communities best efforts, though the data wouldn’t be perfect it could be useful.

Yeah, any testing there would be mostly pointless, since we’d be dealing with all of the variables of testing full auto, and adding non-repeatable player movement to the mix. I suspect, for aimed fire, additional dispersion on the move is just caused by three things: Point of aim and therefore fire cone shift between shots, PoA and cone shift caused by the walking animation, and variable player skill at compensating for both.

We could test unaimed accuracy of single-fire weapons, but the less stable the platform the less precise our tests will be. It’s easy to test a mounted weapon, the only movement is recoil, but we can’t test hip fire mounted. We’d have to test un-aimed fire in all three poses and compare the results to aimed fire in all three poses, unmounted, and compare that to mounted fire either prone or on the bunker window.

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