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still fine to us.

what do you know about df if even they don’t know to a point where they keep contraddicting their own statements? :joy:

i can see that.

baaaad behavior.

nope.

because once again, halftracks ammo have at least 9 times uses unlike normal amonution boxes.

which i explained more and more ( which you also liked my own post. says alot of both of you tbh ).

you don’t need any of that.

it’s kinda like the current bikes or any questionable squads.

they don’t need to be buffed to be effective.

as lone there always someone that knoes how to use them.

it’s fairly simple, you get the halftrack, ( that has ammo or medkits, ) and you park it.

so it’s off support to the team.

or use it, and provide cover where tanks can’t.

not that hard.

doesn’t require new maps to make it work.

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mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i don’t think so.

that’s the main bloody point.

i don’t really get where you get this from.

just because replaces tanks squad, the count of active vehicles of this type do not interfere with the tanks on the actual map of matchmakers.

as they are differet vehicles.

df can make another section for vehicles, matter of fact, they even asked in a poll with the introduction of bikes it was necessary.

so they can, and perhaps will.

but i failed to see how an halftracks will take place of tanks in the active vehicles " pool " that the game currently is based on.

maybe the anti tank versions makes sense to do so ( just like the panzerwarfare ) but regular ones, no.

no.

you didn’t need a new campaign for medics.
as you don’t right now.

they just did it so that they can see wether use them or not in others.
( example )

you don’t need new campaigns for testing stuff.

you can pretty much do it elsewhere.

and if they don’t work, remove them like happened before, and will most likely happen.

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You think bad

Some one forget darkflow want make bike count as a tank at start

YOU KILLED STALINGRAD EXISTENCE

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nope, i did the questionary/pool and i can still remember the options.

which i pointed to not make one because they weren’t used that much
( turned out to be right ).

that is wrong.

bolt action thingies, bombers, fire, customization,

inspite of your hates for stalingrad, ( which it’s justified at the 30% for it’s map and lacks of free to play interesting stuff ) it’s really not that bad.

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:+1:

Then build two ammo boxes.

We like the idea, we don’t agree the game supposts it though.

I don’t see how this one would work.

To make it work? No.
To make it good? Yes.

To me it looks like you want to implement halftracks just for the sake of implementing halftracks. No matter that they will be basically a disabled person on a wheelchair.

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n-no… because the time that you spend building, you could spend the same time by just driving, getting closer to the objective, and then hope down to fight instead of walking, setting up boxes, and then fight.

it’s an easier process which not everyone does because you either prefer tanks or airplanes.

more goddamn choices.
isn’t what this game is all about?

i don’t see why it should not be a thing.

honestly, the more i talk with you guys, the more i realize i still haven’t saw a good argument against it.

because you all keeps repeating the same points which can be easely disproved.

and i do so ( and i’m keep doing it… )

once again, read carefull this goddamn suggestion:
Suggestion for a Rider’s Class Rework - Concept idea

and to me, you pretty much just dislike the idea of having halftracks based on sentiments or " predictions " that does not speak for the future. without actual reasons of why it’s a bad idea.

for the last time, i want them for having easier " logistics " on the field, make stuff much easier and will be usefull for further gamemodes. enhance the gameplay, while keeping it fair.

to be honest, i never wanted panzerfwares outside some sort of pve rewards to mainly use them there and not in pvp.

but :woman_shrugging:

certainly i want to improve things, not making them worse.

as you both should know by now, i just offered a different solutions to a few problems.

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I can spawn as infantry, fight my way through, build a rally and ammo box and storm the point.

Or I can spawn as an APC on the vehicle spawn that is ~80m further than the infantry spawn, drive on the main road and assuming I don’t get HOKed by a tank or TNT (sure inf can also get wiped but APC is a more obvious target) I can deploy.
It would be better if I could not drive on the main road but on most maps that’s not possible. That’s the point.

More like an ilusion of choises to me.

Well, all positive predictions I made (like improving bipods before LMG nerf) were “o kant dupy rozbić” [PL] so now I’m making negative predictions that nothing will be made.

The problem is that there is no logistic in the game. Spawn, kill, die , repeat.

we too

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Cant handle few farmers, definitely could handle germuts without LL.

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Just say yes to APC, guys.

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Dude, halftrack mean - one half wheels, second half tracks.
It’s often use as apc, but it not make it apc in any case.

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They was has very nice place to defence, also they has support like lendlease from Germany to UK.
And USSR won this war, with big casualties, yes, but it not make it lose. Btw, same victories named by name of one ancient general.

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it has was fabulous place defense.

None from said countries.

how is this

win ?

Referring to pyrrhic victory ?

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Exactly

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thanks.

and finally,

someone that see’s reason.

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Hardly, if lend lease never came, you can cut every thing the Russian every produced like tanks and rifles by %20-%25, and then also soldiers would have been underfed and then less effective, and to top it all off, there would have been 1 rifle per three troops

The red army was so close to breaking, and the lend lease was life support
It’s not that the germans were superior but rather the poor state of red army

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Pyrrhic victory means empty victory

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Indeed - which is pretty much the reason why the war would hten have dragged on for much longer.

Arrant nonsense.

Your assertion is unsupported by any actual evidence - the Soviets stopped the Axis at Moscow before any significant lend lease arrived.

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the war would have dragged on in the germans favour

the russian had a severe logistics problem in the war untill the us started sending the studebaker us6
on ratio across the entire war there was 2.4 zis trucks per 1 studebaker so there we can cut all russian logistics by %30, but hold up the GAZ jeep was a copy of the american lendlease jeeps so if lend lease never came then the gaz jeep would have never been made so we can the bumb the %30 to about %35,

so that means %35 less blankets, boot, uniforms, ammo and weapons, fuel, replacement parts, tools and food
now as most unlearned people wont know

  • less blankets = troops not getting a good nights sleep and thus not as effective in combat, it also means that troops will be sleeping near fireplaces more often in the night and this leads to more losses
  • less boots = more troops getting taken off the line and sent to the hospital for foot related diseases
  • less uniforms = more disease as they cant replace wore or soiled uniforms, thus more sent to the hospital for foot related diseases
  • less ammo and weapons = less fighting, and more taken POW
  • less fuel = slower advancement/retreat letting the Germans fortify or rout
  • less replacement parts = more tank losses, and logistics having to deliver whole weapons rather then parts bogs down the supply chain
  • less tools = slower fortifying
  • less food = lower troop moral and troops are less combat effective

now this is only one of 6 key points of why the lend lease save the red army
now this also fully does not cover the british lend lease that supply 2000 odd trains to the red army while they only ever had 500, need you need me to post about this aswel?

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No, hte War would not have dragged on in Germany’s favour - American lend lease like trucks didn’t kick into top gear until 1943 - after Stalingrad already.

After 1943 what you say is completely true - before 1943 it is not true, and the war was already unwinable by Germany by 1943.

Eg see JSTOR article https://www.jstor.org/stable/260606

The idea that LL was not a great help is a post war Soviet bullshit, the idea that it saved hte USSR is post war Western (mostly American) bullshit.

The objective evidence points to exactly what I said - Germany could not win, and LL shortened the war appreciably.

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Stalin and many other top officials have many times stated that they would have lost if not for the lend lease

and the red army was having set back after set back untill then but there is much more going on but i see it as a waste to explain to some one that does not understand how important logistics is

stainlin him self said in the tehran that they would have lost by 1943 if not for the lendlease

this is invalid as it was published during the cold war, WHERE no one from out side was allowed into ussr state archives, and any information that could have a negative impart on the superior ussr was repressed