Make moscow a training campaign

How come balancing clearly broken things is “mowing down the allies”?
The suggestions are still the same and clear:

Give PPSh recoil, even identical to Kiraly
T-34 and T-50 weakspot adjustments
IL-2 rocket salvo nerf (reduce accuracy or efficiency)

This would make Moscow a healthier campaign.

It’s unproductive to continue obfuscating this - which some have done for the whole thread. Moscow now is an Allied PVE campaign for the average Axis joe, and for some reason, the allied mains here try to keep it that way tooth and nail.

Isn’t it the goal of everyone to play balanced games?

Soviets needs KV2 and Germans a unique Pz4H
My Opinion is, Stug 3 should have come with last Update to balance Tank-Battles, BUT WITH MG ON ROOF.

So many Words here.

Short Question:
What did the Russian Side of Forum think?

Makes it Fun to play Moscow Allies?
Makes it Fun to play Moscow Axis?
Did Soviets need anything else? EXCEPT KV2 haha
Did Germans need anything? maybe three Pz4 or Pz3 more?

You Guys just talk about regular stuff, thats ok but…
I guess i’m a f#%#% Whale and…
Premium Stuff compared… Seems to be another Thread…
but Peoples always put the Pz4 with Heat in Comparison with regular stuff.
M3 Lee is by far the best Tank in Moscow.

Hint:
Ba11 Premium can change his Camouflage like other Tanks and i love it.

I’ll save you some time to catch the loop:

The Allied POV here is that Moscow is not inbalanced at all
T-34, IL-2 and PPSh being better than anything what the germans have and this is fair because historical facts

Pick one, please, and stick with it.

Also:
As much as a 4v4 showmatch would intrigue me with PPSh vs Kiraly, T34 vs PJ3 and IL-2 vs STUKA would be unproductive for plethoras of reasons, but remember we’re talking about Squads here. It blurs out things.
And we’re still talking about why doesn’t an average axis Joe point of view.

There is no competitive elements in Enlisted, and even if there would be a competitive custom game, it wouldn’t resemble anything the main game is: Squads with Bots.

If there would be a competitive scene, players would choose 3 nades, flamethrower, and PPSh over everything else. High ROF in games with low TTK are always significantly stronger, especially with ridiculously easy spray-patterns, and they just become better when the skill-level rises. (for example look BF4 AEK and FAMAS surpassing ACE20 and ACE52CQB)
Perhaps BA rifles as 2nd weapons would play a role but this is totally theoretical, and unproductive to open more due the nature of enlisted being a game where you shoot at bots.

Now we can also continue this trail of thought going all the way to 4 times IL-2 vs 4 STUKAS, and 4 times T-34 vs 4 Panzer3J.
Ehh?

As a axis, I wouldn’t bother with moscow mainly because of these things- 1: g41 reload bug - 2: lack of a select-fire counter part. AVS is a great gun… i use it in berlin when i play allies, all u gotta do is use less-zoomed in sight option for workable recoil with it(and with recoil perks its good all-round). allies in moscow being able to arm anyone with a gun like that whilst axis is restricted to limited automatic weaponry is a pretty bad end-game for axis infantry players. Some of the axis in this thread have sounded a little crazy but they got a point about there being obvious imbalance.

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What realism ? There aint any.

Probably because the other faction of moscow campaign aint having FUN at all.

You mean like balancing the one sided shit show ?

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Yeah sorry for being the partypooper, totally forgot that moscow axis side is designed for those who considers losing with shit equipment as fun
and soviets are for those who enjoy rather effortless wins.

I have to agree, to many words withaut a minium sence, the topic was

“make moscow a better campaign for newbee for help them learn the game”

  1. shortening the grind
  2. remove filler and OP equipment
  3. make the battle more slow paced, for help understand how use enginer, tank, plane or simply training on the personal aim and relax

Obliviusly the argoument for this was, muh ppsh, muh remove t50, muh is belanced fight 3 ppsh assaulter squad, muh axis only dont have player is not true after lv 24 is equipment is shit…

And more…

I have to say is not dev fault if them add more broken shit every 3 month, with a playerbase like this made of codder what one can expect

@114632241 again you center the point :+1:
@Conscript_Joe sorry joe this campaign is to far beyond the possibility to redeem herself

@DieJagdente @TheElite96 @ReachForTheSky close this please kid cant have a normal discussion on a topic withaut derail

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Instead wasting time on discussion like this I just never play Moscow Axis, Normandy Axis is always the best. I don’t understand why ppl so give shit to Moscow Axis, you don’t need to be a genius with 180+ IQ to see Moscow Axis is a garbage

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Semi-Auto-Nerf
hits the Most German Side…
That Shit should be Removed and Germans Early and Late Gear could compare

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moscow axis should honestly get the stalingrad variant of the ZH-29 ,with 400+ firerate. instead of the 200 rof one

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Lets be Honest, since Semi Auto Nerf and MG Nerf… Germans Infanterie is Soviets Tanks Cannonfodder
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Unbalanced T50 Gold Order at Lvl1

Only Chance is long Range with MGs/Semis, and there are waiting the 3xMG-Tanks or the Lvl1 T50 5Star Tank

Close Quarter Combat a 71 Mag will destroy everything,

Sometimes i shoot with my Semis 3 Meters away from Enemy and doesnt hit them,
Dont know how this is called… The Präzision is for the Ass, with FG42s i doesnt have such Situations
Cant recommend SemiAutos, i stay by BA

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I play Axis only and Moscow is one of my favourites.

And I don’t complain. I like strong opposition.

Please leave me some fun.

No, i want crush your fun and all soviet pve enjoier :smiley:

Dont Germans have the PZ IV E gold order at level 1? Better Anti-Infantry, worse anti tank

What game you play pz4 is lv22, quadro you need an update

right but the gold order PZ IV can be used by the starter squad just like the T-50, no? couldve sworn they did that. ill go look

No! Pz4 need lv22 squad is the pz3j as lv1

It’s a drop in the ocean. We have so many bugs here for over a year now and the bug reports are still full of complaints yet most of the time they don’t fix bugs but just change the size of icons in QoL.
Don’t get me started about crucial complaints like

  • The T-50
  • The Jumbo (the second-oldest rant)
  • The Panzer III B. in Moscow (already started in CBT if not earlier)
  • Stupid level progression which isn’t able to add stuff like bikes or medics due to design issues
  • Tunisia/ lack of doing actual multiple-nation campaigns
  • Awful map designs, most notable due to greyzone camping
  • SA rifle nerf NO ONE wanted
  • Dispersion-“meta” from HnG nobody wanted
  • Deleting old gold order stuff nobody wants (they just postponed the final date)
  • Overpriced customization
  • Stalingrad Premium squads/ the way how they were “confirmed”
  • Lack of historical accuracy promised by the devs and still actively advertised by the devs
  • Cbs restrictions
  • Overpriced premiums
  • Nerfed non-bundle inf premium squads
  • DMs of tanks and planes which are NOT from current WT system
  • The eternal rant about the missing progress of AI development
  • (Illogical) Copy+paste
  • CBT scam
  • Awful PR work/ lack of communication (Keofox is the SOLE pleb responsible for the forum, and he is pretty meh at this job)

And that’s just what I got from two minutes. There were sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
many approaches from us how to fix them but well… that can only comes from someone who doesnt read the forum at all. Could be a good dev.

Spongebob - Waiting
Wow. Four months now and still not fixed despite multiple complaints. Just keep coping and maybe you wont realize that they will never fix them in this decade… maybe in the next.

Because they could get in trouble in motherland Russia with it. Not because it was so frequently asked but because they dont wanna get ass kicked by the commies.

Stick to one story, smartbutt

Gib the Panzer IV F1 HEAT and undo the dispersion nerf which killed the German MG meta. Replace the Jumbo with a Churchill, remove the T-50 and give the Soviets the BT-7M, make the grind more according to WT, so people can decide what they want and Df can better introduce new stuff, update the models, make the AI smart and give them a will to survive, make the game more historical by removing the free stuff which is too a-historical and easy to replace (I can make an external list), revert SA nerf NO ONE wanted, give premium squads layout of normal squads, so I can get a rifle engineer in my PPK squad, either reduce the gold price for cloths or give us more cloth orders, rework Tunisia completely, don’t remove old gold order stuff, remove the B. and give us a StuG, give us money back from the cbt access as they were scam, hire at least one additional pleb who helps Keofox running the forum, stop making vague statements, softer cb xp restrictions (max. 100k exp per day idk) … oh and fix the bipods.

Heil Himmler!!!. I managed to solve all issues of the game. Devs, now please listen to me and do it. I made suggestions to fix stuff, and now I can rant. Cool.

Now let’s get back to reality. The devs won’t read my suggestions (even you managed to find that out), and I am fine with it. People who expect that are either dumb or spoiled commie politics students from China.

Its a fact that Soviet guns and tanks have better stats in Moscow. The Germans have no superior stuff there unlike literally anywhere else or how it was back in the old days.

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yeah you right. PZ III can still pen T-50 from front tho

But lose a lot of anti-infantry capabilities because his mg overheats fast, HE sheel are shit and have only 1mg compared the the other pz3, instead t50 heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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:point_up_2: :point_up_2: :fu:

Exact what @CaptainSebekel said,
If the Game would be worth more then 2 Minutes, the List would be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long
Best Part was, when Devs dont read but instant react if theres a SS.

I was banned from Forum because i have did FLOOT 2 Weeks, dont know whats that is, so i’ve learned nothing
Now i’m scared and write nothing more

Did you all see that BA11 Skins? My Premium 4,5cm 20K Geschütz (same like T50 have) is now a real Beauty Tadeuz