Levels in the renewed Enlisted

It really, really isn’t. If we were going full historical, the M1 Garand would be the US’s base rifle in Normandy, FG-42s would only be available to Fallschirmjaeger, the Federov wouldn’t really be around, etc. This really isn’t a game for people who can’t get over their own desperate need for perfect historical accuracy, and I barely ignore the inconsistencies with history and weapons function enough to enjoy this game.

You’ve been playing a beta. Things were bound to change, and it’s become pretty clear that the current progression and campaign system falls apart if there’s too many campaigns. German mains are split across five progressions, US three, USSR three. Shit, the reason Pacific is so hard for US right now is because people that want to play Japanese only have one, so the enemy team is always more populated than yours.

Dude’s arguing his side of things, and doing a good job of not responding to insults in kind.

I see the concern, but don’t think it’s likely to be a problem. By getting rid of campaigns and going to gear-tier MM, they’ll be consolidating the currently split playerbase, so the lliklihood of unpopulated queues is decreased. As for the Japanese, they’ve annouced that they’ll be getting preferential matchmaking because their tree isn’t flushed out well enough to be competitive at higher tiers

Right? Game’s always been arcade, and the lack of MM showed more and more the more levels and campaigns were added.

This. There’s loads of innacuracy and they’ve just kept adding more, at least with gear-tier MM they’ll be less. Then they just have to fix things like weapons that had bayonets that lack them in game, weapons that can’t take a bayonet but have them in game (looking at you, Mosin 1907 and 38 carbines), and guns that don’t work like they should (IE S&W 1917, probably Nagant Revolver.)

Like I said, probably won’t be an issue between gear-tier MM and japanese preferential MM. Keep in mind, too, that the MM spread is set up for ten tiers already. US players that don’t want to fight Germans with FG42 and STG will intentionally play at lower tier, instead of just flocking to Tunisia. I think what we’re more likely to see is some tiers being more populated than others, leading to things like high-tier Germans stomping all comers, or mostly getting matching with high-tier soviets because high-tier US is going to struggle against FG/STG squads and Tiger 2’s

Have they proposed a BR MM system yet? All I’ve seen is a gear-tier spreadsheet, and talk about how MM will be based on gear level, but haven’t heard anything about if that just means the tiers or if they’re adding BR, or what the MM spread would be.

I’m not one that’s gonna harp too hard about HA in what’s been an arcade shooter from the start, and I know it wasn’t for me, but it’s an interesting challenge, so:

  1. could go for HA in how weapons actually work, which they’ve messed up a lot
  2. HA in what weapons were actually available and in common use for a given battle/.campaign, which they’ve messed up
  3. HA in what vehicles were available and in common use for a given battle/campaign, which they’ve messed up
    4)HA in individual soldier combat load, they’ve never come close
    5)HA in squad/section composition and equipment, again, not close
    6)HA in squad/section type/battlefield role, again not close
    7)HA by more closely replicating actual historical battlefield, AFAIK not close
    8)HA in the environmental effects, like actually effective naval artillery in Normandy or any at all in Pacific, not close
    9)HA in ammunition selection, for both small arms and vehicle mounted weapons, especially MG belt composition instead of all tracer all the time
    10)Cheating, there’s arguable degrees of each of the preceding.

How do you know this? Not saying it’s wrong, I just don’t have that information and haven’t seen it anywhere.
Logically, if it’s a 1 BR spread and they have 10 BR already, it’s way more than 27. Germans are queueing across all ten tiers against US and USSR at all ten tiers, USSR is only queing against Germany, US against German for ten and Japan for what, six? Complicated.

And the Garand was issued before US involvement in Europe, and there’s loads of prototype weapons that were never issued or tested on the battlefield. equipment HA isn’t a thing this game’s really ever had, and it’s not going to get it.

Your’e not wrong, but
Enlisted’s balance has never been “fair” even ignoring HA

For a game that’s supposedly favoring HA over fun or balance, it’s doing a shit job and two thirds of them (it’s reasonably fun most of the time)

Arcade argument. Enlisted is obviously on the arcadey side of things, but from this gun nerd’s perspective, it’s not as unrealistic as CoD or BF. I get that it’s my opinion, and it’s arguable in shades, and I have my own problems where I believe the game could stand to be more realistic, but it’s not nearly the worst offender even in the WW2 sphere.

Shit, I’ma stop. Went to deep.

facepalm… all that writing and another who don’t get it…
‘‘If we were going full historical’’
Yeah you don’t get it.
No one is asking about ‘‘full historical’’
It’s about making the game a believable historical FPS…
Jesus fcking christ…
And we do know from playing their other game how this B.R MM works…
So we know this is gonna wreak the historical aspect, and no it won’t solve jack squat cause here in does not lie the problem…
‘‘Dude’s arguing his side of things, and doing a good job of not responding to insults in kind.’’
These are the same arguing and insulting at every given post and comment…
‘‘You’ve been playing a beta’’ yeah and that sets the concept of game, they are now completely wreaking that…

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Matter of debate consider the constant botfarms and one side sealclubbing.

Why did the VG1-5 end up in tier 3 and in the submachine gun category?
PzVI E and PzVIF due to short 75mm cannons should be ahead of sdkfz234/2 and PzIIIj1.
So PzIV with a short 75mm cannon on tier 3, and Puma and PzIIIj1 on tier 4.
sd kfz 234/2 Puma is so mobile that it could easily be on tier 5.
And I would move Puma and PzIII1j because according to the tier their opponents are T-28 and Grand.
I would give DP27 lower because the red army has a big gap between Madsen and DP27.
I would give DP 27 at tier 3.5.
Where is OVP m1918?
What about AA vehicles from the event, flamethrower tanks from Stalingrad?
What about all the possible equipment, BP weapons and above all premium units and vehicles?

Seems fair.

you have 3 main queues. japan vs usa, germany vs soviets and germany vs usa. japan vs usa is so far in 7 tiers and rest are 10 tiers so overall 27 max queues with strict ±0 NN and 3 minimum queues with anything goes MM.

i know this, but people still insist on “HA”.

no you dont. WT and enlisted are completely different games. ffs just look at WoWs and you will see that MM is perfectly good there with ±2 MM (well at least it was good when i was last playing it).

it is not about making believable historical FPS. it is about making it whatever you want FPS. ffs this started from going i want HA with current campaigns, to i want “believable” HA when people proved that current campaigns were never HA.

lol. like this game had any historical aspect with all meta squads and all meta weapons/vehicles. not to mention prototypes and time traveling equipment. but sure you have “believable” HA currently.

long 50mm gun pierces Jumbo, and is it supposed to be on the same level as T28 and Grand?

If Jumbo is brain damaged and let you front snipe him for sure.
And I dont know if a tank which can be taken out by 75mm HE and M2HB is too much for Soviet players after constant years of botfarming in Moscow and SG.

^yeah here is one of these ultimate smartasses right here.

‘‘it is not about making believable historical FPS’’ yeah it was always about that you goddamn poor soul, that is the whole idea in this WW2 FPS Shooter.

‘‘ffs this started from going i want HA with current campaigns, to i want “believable” HA’’
This was ALWAYS what it was about, but you are too ignorant and mentally disabled to first of care to understand, second grasp your futile mind around it.

‘‘people proved that current campaigns were never HA’’ people proved what? that the game isn’t reality? no shit, that the game isn’t 100% accurate? that there is some artistic liberties but it’s still within the realm of possibility and fits the bill?

You are really, srry to say, too dumb to try arguing, so can you please now just shut the f up and let those who want to be creative and constructive debate instead of having to waste time on puttin down stupid shit arguements based on your low mind level were you can’t even grasp your on a goddamn FPS about a historical conflict and can’t connect the two somehow? like no capability how to fuse them. You just no, I’m dumb head in sand, imma label some HA shit I coined together with other retards and throw that around and say shit can’t be mixed, not possible, uh uh nope.
I sincerely hope your job does not involve critical thinking, cause that ain’t your strong suit.
now GL to you in life

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i can understand fps about historical conflict. i just dont understand your believable HA argument cause it is simply stupid. it is either HA or it isnt. there is no HA with make belief elements that is believable.

‘‘i just dont understand your believable HA argument cause it is simply stupid’’
My friend, it’s you. let me put it plain, you said it yourself; ‘‘i just dont understand’’.
It’s you mate, you are stupid.

nah… it is just you…

“lets have a make belief where japanese had industry and resources to make SA rifles”
" while we are at it lets have make belief that japan had 10 yamatos and 100 CV-s and actually attacked Hawaii. we could have battle of Hawaii"
“while we are in that ‘believable’ HA lets have japan attack US west coast”

yes i understand your “believable HA” totally now.

or maybe your “believable HA” is about using fedorov through whole ww2 even though guns were already in shit condition even in 1920-s and most of them didnt survive winter war.

or maybe your “believable HA” is having time traveling F2 in moscow cause it is needed to balance t34?

or maybe your “believable HA” is allies having m2 carbine in normandy to balance fg42/stg44?

or maybe your “believable HA” is whole army having few limited protoype rifles like they were serially made?

or maybe your “believable HA” is whole team equipped with whatever meta squad and weapon is atm?

or maybe your “believable HA” is having paratroopers jumping right in middle of enemy positions and somehow surviving the jump?

or…

Can we opt out of certain enemies? My specific example: I like the Eastern Front almost specifically.
Always been interested in joining up and being sent ‘somewhere’ on the lines (where its needed) sounds cool.

like I said and you just stated further, you don’t get it.
Stop ranting shit all over.
You don’t bring anything at all.
You should just play some other game, try searching for a fictional shooter you know.
A WW2 FPS is not the place for you.
You can’t even grasp your own arguing, by this point your just waving and shouting of no reason.
I’m done with you

believable shit or just shit?

ww2 fps or believable ww2 fps?

you are done with me or with believable me?

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you lost from the get go mate, just quit already will you

1 You just bash on the preserve historical aspect, and continously fail to grasp the concept
2 you fail to realize the gameplay/history realization
3 You haven’t added anything constructive
4 Your insults and comebacks are of kids mental lvl

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i am not bashing on preservation of HA. game never had HA. you want same game that you are used to playing and are making stupid arguments that will keep the game the way it is. that is your whole believable HA argument.

no you fail to realize both gameplay and history realization.

here is history realization for you

and where in your gameplay realization is balance?

do you still want stuart vs tiger on d-day, cause it is neither historical nor it is balanced.

neither have you

yes i should make big man angry insults over the forum to prove my manliness to you and others.
when you started to behave on kid level i started to respond to you on kid level.

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there is no point of you quoting parts in paragraphs and trying to answer them. Not a single ‘‘point’’ you give on each paraphrasing says fck all. And you still don’t look cool and fail at all of the attempts you’re trying at.
say for instance this here;

‘‘i am not bashing on preservation of HA. game never had HA. you want same game that you are used to playing and are making stupid arguments that will keep the game the way it is. that is your whole believable HA argument.’’
what the f does that mean? no sense at all.
You are constantly bashing on historical aspect, constantly like a SJW Lesbian at a Pride event, purple hair and all, and same level of logic to to by. Your arguin in yes mental lvl of kid.
here you say, I want the game to keep as is and what historical, yet at same time you say game never had one, doesn’t make sense. You just don’t get it
‘‘that is your whole believable HA argument.’’ what? you said nothing about what here.that I want the game as was?
I want to preserve and cultivate and be centered on and kept as concept and premise of game the historical campaigns and associated weapons/vehicles.
I don’t want nothing to stay they way they are, I want to improve and expand on it, based on the core of the game which is historical FPS.
Fcking hell mate you are slow.

stop trying, you just look stupid and only keep spewing more shit and nonsense
It’s enough of you, you are not contributing in any creative ways, you just backpeddling and trying to bash and insult cause you think you get it. but you don’t simple as that.

come back when you’ve actually learned and understood and are ready to contribute, for now bye

i am bashing on HA, cause by your words you want believable HA. only HA that enlisted has is that most of the weapons were used in ww2 at some point, or were made (prototype) during prewar or during ww2.

idk what you want to preserve when most of the weapons werent even used in those campaigns. ffs pacific japan is half fantasy, moscow also, berlin end game equipment is fantasy. devs already desecrated any history in those campaigns for the sake of balance.

and core game isnt historical. neither weapons in those campaigns are historical, neither squad composition is historical, neither is weapon usage realistic (by that i mean MG run and gun style) and neither are ingame tactics realistics.
game was dying and you should come to realization that this is arcade squad based shooter with ww2 theme and not historical FPS.

nah… i just love to troll stupid idiots like you. if you ever actually have believable argument, you can write back :stuck_out_tongue:

Man you just won’t stop will you? look, you are stupid so you can’t get it… after all this ranting, you still don’t understand it. so just shut it.
bye bye