Exactly. Everything is possible, but often disregarded in a way because players tend to want to win fast and easy. Ingenuity and realism may not be the top priority for this game - it’s understood that most players have short attention spans and aren’t able to handle realism so they bring the arcade element more to appease to young gamers looking for some quick fix WWII related. Here we are, but as Ricky pointed out, it’s possible because someone took the time and effort and actually did it.
We will agree to disagree. And you can label it ACE or whatever you want, but it is not the most important skill, by far. I am sure many here have already agreed to that, but you won’t drop it , and you will tailor your agenda and responses accordingly. As much as I love a good discourse, this is my last post on the matter. I wanted to make sure other people know there are more important matters.
KDR is your religion, and if you believe that matters most, than go for it.
Doesn’t mean it is right though.
Potentially. I have 1700 matches under the belt.
I’ve seen everything. You should watch some of the people I play with or against too. THere are some Amazing Players, very efficient. Who actually don’t abuse the Mechanics of this game (not saying you do Steiner, I don’t doubt for a min that you are a skilled player) Schmetterwurm , Epic, Humber, Polish Orca, the list goes on. But they also sacrifice, burn squads, and play smart. KDR aside. They do what is needed, when it is needed, regardless of cost.
That is the type of person you need. Not someone who is 6 to 1.
I don’t doubt for a minute there are a 1000 players better than me. And most whom I’ve seen, and seen their stats posted, are in and around where I sit in terms of that metric alone. Because they are all around warriors. And yes, I do associate the two at times together, because you can artificially inflate your KDR without being a ‘good’ player. And many people do do that.
Because you don’t play Normandy, I think your opinion on the matter is null and void. You haven’t seen what I, and so many others have. I’m not accusing Steiner of that, he could be the holy Trinity of players who is High KDR, High W/L and High Engineering. But you need all of that, with map knowledge to pull it off properly.
And now we get to add Beloe Lake and Quarry to the mix, where players whom know how to abuse the map, mechanics, can Massacre multitudes without repercussion. Unless, of course, you are like some of the people I play with, and know how to DIG them out from there little spots.
Sure it is.
Because there is a time to Tank, and there is a time to push as infantry.
I’ve watched many team lose because their tankers were nice and safe and farming away, but because our team played it smart, we overwhelmed anything that leaked through our layered defences.
If you cannot understand that, then there is little I can say to change your mind.
Ah but you are assuming , which is dangerous, that that is what I do.
I don’t. I make videos. I explain, I don’t flaunt stats to people or tell them this is the metric that determines what makes them good or not.
You sit here and try and tell people that Kill more, Die less is so important. I make videos showing flanking spots on maps, where you can break walls down in Normandy to access flanks. How to hide a Rally point and booby trap it.
Situational awareness and battlefield knowledge will organically help ones ability to influence. Yes you have to learn how to shoot a gun. But you also need to learn how not to if you want to influence the battle.
The good players I know, whom have KDR’s in and around mine, are WELL above 50%.
I said infantry. Planes can do it, but its janky at times, and Normandy can be notorious for good Allied pilots, so using Planes can be dubious at best.
Not supposedly. I’ll grab a screen of my stats if you want to see them. I don’t care.
And that High KD might make be a better player potentially, but a MUCH worse team mate.
Hence the low W/L.
Actually , building Rally Points Increases their survival rate. Want to know why? Because it takes them out of the path of the organic ones that almost all of the Veterans on here have memorized.
I’ve watched new players get evaporated by Rockets, Mortars, Tanks and everything in between because they spawn organic, and get spawn camped.
You teach them to build an off the path Rally, and suddenly, they are safe, unseen, and can now engage the enemy from a position that is not ‘known’ to the enemy.
That is more useful than anything else.
Not once in my post did I say that I win 100% of the time.
I can and will lose games, with randoms, with teams, there is always someone better.
I will never deny that.
But those good players, have learned to do everything. Not just one thing.
Actually, if you read my discourse with Ricky, you would see I was referencing a time when the Panzerfaust 60 was not part of Normandy.
You’ve never played it, so you do not understand what it was like then, to what it is like now.
Though you might face it if you are on the opposite end of two Panthers Camping the Grey, farming your team, improving their one ‘stat’.
Or 2 Jumbos vice versa and not a pilot to be seen, or a panther to be had.
Anywho, you have fun doing you. I’m bowing out of this as I’ve said my peace and I really don’t want to spend hours trying to change a mind that won’t be changed.
I don’t doubt that many players have developed a higher end KDR now that they have the mechanics of the game pinned down, who knows. I’d love some to pipe in because I do not want to speak for anyone else. I don’t have enough data to say which came first.
Bis Spatter.
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Well im not that skilled but i do have my moments ^^ Sometimes not lol. Ive managed to shoot down 2 ILs once with an Stuka which was one of my greatest joy in game. Cant stand those bullies xD The pilots was not that good though so cant say its one of my biggest pride but still satisfying JUSTICE!
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Nice!
I can officially say I’ve never done that. I play to my strengths in the game, and in Enlisted it is NOT as a Pilot LOL (I leave that to Tomcat and Schmetterwurm to be my Air Support).
If I could bind a HOTAS to planes, I might try them again.
I think my crowning achievement (which I have now Tied 10 times now) was 14 Tank Kills in a single match as Infantry.
I’ll find the screen shot of the best and first one, I turned Wilhemstrasse into a Used T34-85 parking lot.
I have my moments too. I’m old, it takes a game or two for me to warm up, and I don’t have the razor sharp skills of someone half my age. But I hold my own. I win more than I lose, and I make videos to help players with the finer points of the game mechanics.
ooo, it didn’t cover the whole street, but this is what the game ended looking like.
Can I interest you in a used T34? 
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May 2021
POV:
you use axis
you play D-DAY
two jumbo spawn in the beach
your team is made by f2p and bot so no plane
you dont have plane but only pz4j
you have only sturmpistole as AT weapon
You cant stop american infantry because of the 5s spawn bug
You realize you are going to die 20 time
Its ok is 100% historically accurate
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Thank you.
Yet amazingly, you choose to conflate the two together. I.E. what you basically said was “you can be a good player with good K/D but since you can also be a bad player with good K/D, I am going to assume you are the latter”.
A very dumb post - I haven’t shared any opinions on Normandy. In fact the only thing I said was I don’t know it cause I don’t play it. In fact the entire premise of your question was - how do you get a Jumbo in grayzone in Normandy without dying as infantry? It was so confusing. I don’t play Normandy, and I didn’t even know what Jumbo was referring to. Told you just as much. Was confused why you would have to be infantry to destroy it? Don’t you have those teammates around you to blow it up with a plane or AT gun? Anyways, that’s all I said and you come back with “your opinion is VOID and NULL”??? Lmao, ok. I didn’t know my statement that I don’t play Normandy and two questions were “an opinion”.
That’s actually complete nonsense. If you are in a tank and actively helping your squad, you don’t need to die because some artificial “commander” decided its not longer time to “TANK” anymore. What a bunch of nonsense?!? Why would you abandon your tank that supresses enemy team, assisting in objective and covers your team as it advances??? This is nonsense.
I dont’ know what you watched in your 1700 games and I don’t even know what “farming” is, but you apparently faced way too many random teams where people weren’t doing much against you, and I am glad you won all those games. If this is all you got out of those games, then congratulations! I am very happy that you are playing on good teams!!! I am not against that.
I make videos too. And please spare the me “teacher” drama. You’ve made assumptions and false statements a plenty.
You implied that I said K/D was “sole measuring stick” - that was a blatant lie.
You also implied that people with high K/D are automatically useless because they are obviously farming kills - that was also blatant lie.
You also just stated that I flaunted my stats - that is another blatant lie because I never said anything about my stats or posted them.
So next time you attempt to take a high moral ground please take some time to self reflect. Writing all this nonsense which is not true doesn’t make you sound smarter. It just undermines your statements because you generalize everything and often doing so in poor manner.
I am not going to bother to explain 5th grade level math to someone who doesn’t understand random probabilities for unranked, randomized games. If math is not your forte, I certainly do not wish to rekindle long lost passion for education. Anyone with high school level math knows this - random game of ten people vs ten people, where skill is even, will result in equal number of wins/losses over a period of 1000s of games. It’s a mathematical certainty. When balance is tipped - faction too strong, team is stacked or better equipped - then so does a result. But as long as we are talking about random games, it’s inevitable that the balance remains the same, around 50%. You win more? Congrats, you admitted to being on better teams, you admitted to having more than 1700 games so probably have top tier equipment. Congrats on your victories. That doesn’t change the fact that your team wins more not because you are some kind of monster of team games, but simply because the teams against you, are either less stacked, uncoordinated and full of random players of lesser skill level. Gloating over victories over teams whose composition was random, whose skill level might have been 1700 times lower than yours is just silly. Hence why I never once criticize enemy teams - neither in defeats nor in victories. I don’t know what they had to work with. Claiming that our victories are solely based on how WE play is silly. It gives no credit or accounts for any enemy shortcomings or weaknesses there from start.
Again this is nonsense. This is crazy coming from someone who appears to be able to think clearly - how can high K/D MIGHT make a good player POTENTIALLY, but DECISIVELY WITHOUT DOUBT makes him a bad teammate? How did you come to that definitive conclusion? What about his lethality, so unequivocally and decisevely made him right away a BAD TEAMMATE? You didn’t even use "might or potentially’ - just flat out “bad teammate”.
Btw, I don’t need to see your stats. I don’t want you to flaunt them or accuse me later of some other lunacy. You do what you want.
Top tier teams don’t attack in regular routes. They flank and they move off grid to avoid your mortars and your artillery fire because they assume the team against them will target those exact routes. And that precisely how they stumble into a rally point full of guys who all of the sudden do not feel safe, and since they have no experience killing enemies and staying alive, they will be dead and those rally points overwhelmed in seconds.
It seems to be a theme of yours to give examples where you think enemy is just a bunch of random guys, that can’t do anything. Ok, what happens when you play a top tier team? Want to show me a stat? Show me a stat where you won a game with your buddies where an enemy team LOST but had 8-10 players with badges. I’ve posted at least two. Have one? Post it. Cause I would like to see your results vs a team like that! I’ll wait!
No one questioned that. The only difference is my emphasis on learning to survive and kill first and then specializing. And also your belief that somehow doing that definitely makes you a bad team player, somehow.
Likewise. You don’t need to change my mind. In fact your gaming experience (1700) is almost equal to mine in terms of games, and whether it’s one campaign or four is irrelevant because we aren’t discussing campaign specific issues.
Thank you for sharing your opinion. Good luck in your games!.
Not as fun as shooting planes with tanks! Talking about self satisfaction!
Great games always, Steiner!
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I’m surprised people are still responding to this obvious bait. Like OP won’t even post their stats, and the few screenshots Shiivex dug up shows them being a mediocre player.
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lol…that must been an carnage to behold 
Im impressed Tank hunting is so much fun for sure
Yeah must be rewarding to ^^ Im still trying to shoot down an plane with GRB.39 but its just close every time. Not sure if its enough though but will surely leave an large hole in their wing ^^
Lol it was… Actually the pilot wasnt that effective. I mean I could see his stats in the team statistics and he just kept trying to bomb but was either too new or too inexperienced, so he just make a lot of craters around me. The team was already winning however, so I decided to wait for him. Lol then he appeared, same route, same strafe, only this time I was waiting… Steiner, lol you should have seen the animation for the plane being hit at point blank range with HE round!!! He exploded into fireball and his debris made spectacular fireworks!!!
I’ve shot them down regularly with that premium machine gun squad. Those guys are awesome. Especially biplanes. In fact, experimented with that squad vs planes and it had some fantastic results with everything but the flying tank the Soviets have.
I load them out with extra ammo and they seem to do incredibly well in a location with enough visibility to see the enemy plane strafing routes. So well that enemy planes always divert to deal with the threat.
lol that wasnt my reply to you but its ok since im impressed asw that you managed to hit an plane with those things with their turret speed and all ^^ especially if it was an pnz4 with its trajectory…But yeah must been an blast for sure xD The explosions can be pretty intense even in dogfights so can imagine what an HE round would do to it
Tank mgs incl infantry with mg are also pretty dangerous to planes, sometimes you just get an salvo out from no where and if it hit it hits pretty good and can even be devastating
Well using tank does seem like a luxury you can seldom afford - poor turret rotation speed, not to mention vertical limits - make it a fool’s task, I guess. And maybe even MG squad use is better suited elsewhere, but there are moments when occasional Russian ace does get annoying good And if he is superb in air, and manages to get my plane down, I use the last resort - my MG squad. The benefit is you know exactly where to wait for him, and you will have an element of surprise.
Not at all. I used the phrasing ‘at times’ if you bothered to read, meaning that it, as a number, can be altered using methods, as described. So for me the KDR Number means you can be both when it stands alone and is the ‘best stat to show you are a good player’ as you say.
Actually, that was in reference to when I am citing examples of things, and you are countering my argument having, as you stated, never been put in that tactical situation.
This statement right here proves that you have NO idea what I am taking about, because you’ve never been in Normandy to see it.
Yet you counter it with nonsense. You counter it with arguments having never experienced it. Hence my null and void comment.
There are no maps in the other 3 campaigns that can come close to the battle that is Normandy.
And you having never been there counter so many things I talk about that associate with that map.
I said , if you had bothered to read, that it was an implication due to the lack of any other metrics in your original post stating what makes a good player. I cited examples and referenced many things as a result.
Showing that a ‘good’ player is a culmination of multiple skill sets.
And that you do not need your metric to be that.
Nowhere in your OP did you state that Engineering Score is what is a good metric, Kills on the ‘Point’ are what makes you a good player. You said, KDR is the best indicator of that. So no, not a lie.
As well, where the hell did I say you flaunt your stats? I’m confused by that.
I never said people with a High KD are useless. I said that you can artificially change it so it cannot be used IMO as something that defines a player.
So now you, whom complained about insults etc, and I’ve tried to be fair and concise in what I have said is going to be sly with your comments and throw little insults like that?
No thanks.
Because you have missed my points, there is no reason trying to explain again what I was saying.
You are picking and choosing what you want to understand to solidify your narrative. Nothing more.
I wasn’t talking top tier teams, I was talking about new players and protecting them.
I don’t take organic spawns at all. Unless I have no choice. But teaching them how to do it is one of the most important fundementals IMO.
No buddies. I was not in a team, this was me, random Doing my thing.
I don’t care how many times I died. I had mostly bots for a team, but I just threw more ‘warm’ bodies on the point and made there life hell with every sacrifice.
Anywho, I’m out.
small edit. I don’t min max my Squads. I don’t use top tier gear even though I have access to it, I still run 60% BA’s , 30 SA’s, and 10% Autos, just because I saw you made mention I have maxed out squads, gear etc, which is very much a false assumption
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Yeah Gastanofrizzi,
I know you get it. You and I and so many others lived through that hell.
But now I have some counters to them, and I make sure that when I tank I tank so I can be killed.
Thanks for the post.
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That’s absolutely either a lie or lack of reading. Whichever you choose, I leave it up to you. I specifically said that after you achieve K/D 1:1 you move to specialize. Specialization increase your K/D and they are formed by other metrics. I didn’t go into specifics but I clearly wrote a lot about specializations and diverting into other areas, but only after you’ve mastered the most basic and simplest of them - all kill more than die.
Bottom line is very simply. You are a team player and your philosophy is TEAMMATE first and then learn everything else later. My philosophy is entirely different and in fact similar to what people are actually taught in real life - you learn to kill and stay alive and only then become assigned to teams, units and etc. It’s not so hard to understand, really. Why does our difference in opinions somehow make you think that you are the only one sitting on a high horse??? I don’t get it. Is it because you think you are right and that means naturally I am wrong?
I never made any statements or conversations adhere to whatever is going in Normandy or Berlin or Tunisia. I never made any campaign specific posts. If you decided to tie all your experiences to Normandy, and somehow they are so drastically different from the rest of the game, then it’s your decision and I do not understand why you decided to penalize me for it?
After all, you didn’t specify what you were talking about at all - you just said YOUR OPINION IS NOID AND NULL. Doesn’t sound very nice inspiring or explanatory. Feel free to re read your own post.
At the very least I am happy you didn’t again assail the math portion of my post. Perhaps you finally realized mathematical doctrines in regards to randomization.
That’s a lie. I quoted you directly and that was your statement. I specifically pointed out that your statement was wrong because it didn’t explain how did you arrive at “GOOD K/D being a bad team player”. You didn’t explain that at all and made it look like some sort of fact. I pointed out all the side words you used to describe how K/D is good, only to use absolutely no other words to unequivocally state that “good K/D is a bad teammate”. And I pointed out that factor. I asked you how you got to that conclusion? So I ask again, how is a good K/D player who assists his team with whatever specialization he has, actively participates is a BAD TEAMMPLAYER? And if he is not, then what is the puprose of all that you wrote???
You do not protect new players like that. They don’t need your protections. They need to learn how to play and not worry about game outcomes! They need to move around, learn maps, stay alive and learn basics of survival. That’s why random games are not supposed to be WIN AT ALL COSTS.
Tolkien go away!
Heh, yeah I’m out.
I forgot sometimes that no matter how hard you try and work through a problem, or opinion, you will have your words twisted and shaped to the benefit of the one going against you.
Drinks are on me tonight, I played the game long enough today.