Jet argument thing

Combat_Canine · October 22, 2026, 11:44pm

This is for 2 guys who were arguing about this in an unrelated thread

Combat_Canine · October 23, 2026, 12:37am

The story thus far

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

Post the link of your testing clips then because that’s not how it supposed to work knowing the performance of both airplanes. I have a suspicion that you did something wrong or actually did a biased test, because the perk selection also matters a lot when it comes to the high G maneuver.

I didn’t have time to get real specific with it. I’ll post some clips tomorrow night. I’ll explain what i did for a quick test and comparison. I did try to leave out as much human error and variables as possible though.

I simply did a “test vehicle” option on both the f80 and the 262 battlepass plane. As soon as the plane spawned in to the test range I went to full throttle immediately, and kept the plane steady at it’s spawned altitude. Once the plane reached 2500m from the resupply point, i went max elevators to pitch the nose down as quickly as possible. As soon i engaged the elevators, time was started. As soon as the cockpit aiming reticle landed at the last tank in the far right lane time was stopped. I repeated the tests a few times to make sure i was getting similar results. The f80 was taking around 3 seconds. The 262 was taking around 1.5 seconds.

I don’t think your perks are loaded in with your soldiers when you use the “test” option, but even if they are i use the same perks on all my pilots.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

Once the plane reached 2500m from the resupply point, i went max elevators to pitch the nose down as quickly as possible. As soon i engaged the elevators, time was started. As soon as the cockpit aiming reticle landed at the last tank in the far right lane time was stopped. I repeated the tests a few times to make sure i was getting similar results. The f80 was taking around 3 seconds. The 262 was taking around 1.5 seconds.

So what you are talking about is the elevator responsiveness on a medium speed. Me 262 is better at this but on a sustained pitch/yaw movement Me 262 loses to F-80. Better elevator/rudder responsiveness alone doesn’t dictates how an aircraft turn well. For example, Fw 190 has much snappier Elevator/Rudder responsiveness than Spitfires but nobdy says that Fw 190 has a better turn ratio than spitfire. It’s not even close.

And even then, when it comes to F-80 and Me 262, on high speed Me 262 control stiffens up whereas F-80, not so much. It’s not even close when F-80 starting to deploy airbrakes while in high speed steep diving where Me 262 unable to do since no airbrakes whatsoever.

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All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

So what you are talking about is the elevator responsiveness on a medium speed. Me 262 is better at this but on a sustained pitch/yaw movement Me 262 loses to F-80. Better elevator/rudder responsiveness alone doesn’t dictates how an aircraft turn well

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

And even then, when it comes to F-80 and Me 262, on high speed Me 262 control stiffens up whereas F-80, not so much. It’s not even close when F-80 starting to deploy airbrakes while in high speed steep diving where Me 262 unable to do since no airbrakes whatsoever.

The f80 actually has an even worse time to pitch down with airbrakes on. It more than doubles the time. I’m not claiming the 262 has a better turn speed. I’m just pointing out that i think it about equals out in terms of overall maneuverability. The 262 can enter a dive twice as fast, meaning it can easily make up the 1 second turn time difference if you force the f80 into a downward pitch to attack. The f80 also cannot take a max turn without blacking out and looses responsiveness. The 262 does not experience this. Again allowing the 262 to make up for the 1 second difference in certain conditions. The f80 will break flaps off at around 560-600 kmh, forcing the f80 to slower turn speeds once again, and if flaps do break off, the 262 will undoubtedly have a massive advantage. My point is, the planes have different strengths over one another in maneuvering, and i believe it’s pretty balanced with no significant difference. 1 second turn time difference is barely anything and doesn’t mean much in this game. When you get to 3-4+ seconds difference, that’s enough to turn the tide.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

For example, Fw 190 has much snappier Elevator/Rudder responsiveness than Spitfires but nobdy says that Fw 190 has a better turn ratio than spitfire. It’s not even close.

They have snappy ailerons, allowing to barrel roll fast. Which doesn’t contribute to better maneuvering. This isn’t the same thing as what I’m talking about.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

The f80 actually has an even worse time to pitch down with airbrakes on.

In low-medium speed yes. But i clearly said while they are on high speed, which you often in a situation when you are diving to bomb a ground target, that’s when the airbrake becomss very useful. And also that’s where this conversation has begun, that you said F-80 is hard to pull up in a dive bombing run.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

I’m just pointing out that i think it about equals out in terms of overall maneuverability.

They are clearly not equal. You are either trying to downplay the performnace of F-80 so hard or misusing the term called overall maneuverability here.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

The 262 can enter a dive twice as fast, meaning it can easily make up the 1 second turn time difference if you force the f80 into a downward pitch to attack.

That’s the most disingenuous thing i’ve heard so far. You do realize that F-80 actually has a better acceleration(F-80 literally reaches a high speed faster than Me 262 when both flown straight surely you have noticed this if you had tested them?)and that faster rudder/elevator response advantage on 262 immediately lost when Me 262 trying to continue the yaw/pitch movement more than a second against F-80. Like i said, rudder/elevator responsiveness =X= better sustainable turn/pitch ratio.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

The f80 also cannot take a max turn without blacking out and looses responsiveness.

So does Me 262. But this is less pronounced on Me 262 because you know why? Because, it has a shit turn ratio with control stiffens up in high speed plus, shittier acceleration.

Also you are talking about the blackout from high G as if it’s something so terrible and not recoverable, it is not. The loss of responsiveness when pilot blacked out can be mitigated A LOT by the correct perks selection. Even more advantageous for F-80 in this case because premium F-80 pilot has a waaay better stat points than the max rolled pilot 3. Can pick up so much more useful vitality category perks that are related to flying airplanes. This is why i asked you about the pilot perks, now i understand that you are actually oblivious on this matter.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

The f80 will break flaps off at around 560-600 kmh, forcing the f80 to slower turn speeds once again,

Now that is completely BS. First of all, why would you use the flaps on that speed? second, when both airplanes are engaged in a turn fight neither of airplanes can maintain that much speed. Tell me you actually have no idea what you are talking about without telling me you have no idea what you are talking about moment.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

the 262 will undoubtedly have a massive advantage. My point is, the planes have different strengths over one another in maneuvering, and i believe it’s pretty balanced with no significant difference. 1 second turn time difference is barely anything and doesn’t mean much in this game. When you get to 3-4+ seconds difference, that’s enough to turn the tide.

Literally maximum copium at this point. I guess the playerbase regards F-80 as literally a better jet than Me 262 in almost all aspect are wrong and only you are correct then i guess. Forget about the literal objective performance of each jets, Me 262 must be and should be better.

All 76mm shermans should go down one BR

They have snappy ailerons, allowing to barrel roll fast. Which doesn’t contribute to better maneuvering. This isn’t the same thing as what I’m talking about.

Fw 190 does have snappier rudder as well. Snappier elevator control too when both planes are at high speed where Spitfire starting to locking up. FW 190 also rolls faster because of better ailerons but that’s beside the point here. It is exactly what i have been talking about. Having a better instantaneous pitch rate doesn’t translate into a better sustained pitch rate. You will notice that after a few seconds passed the Me 262 will struggle to maintain that pitch rate while F-80 does just as well. This ended up having Me 262 in a massive disadvantage when it comes to a dogfight with F-80 which almost all people who have flown both airplanes agree to.

Also, this is becoming a huge off-topic, if you really think that Me 262 is better then come and dual me in a custom game. This could be solved so fast without dragging the topic this much. But honestly, you won’t do this because deep down you know the F-80 is literally a better jet than Me 262 in performance because all other objective stats indicates so, but you are so hard in denial that you just repeats yourself without any credible sources or clips.

Emperor_Yoshiro · October 23, 2026, 10:28am

People are bias toward their factions nothing new. At least they are improving they started making suggestion not only flame.

But the allies pilots are the most annoying one they have full air superiority and still cry its not fair xD

Then they hijack every topic if they have on a single BR just one plane worst then some other plane but when you look at the big picture they literally dominate every BR without BR I when it comes to planes.