It is an odd comparison because cannons aren’t defined by caliber alone. Howitzers tend to have more HE in their HE shells than AT guns do; the Sherman’s 75mm howitzer historically had better HE performance than the 76mm AT gun, for instance.
What are you on about caliber?
I’m talking about the explosive filler and just referring to them as 37mm and 45mm for ease of speaking. I don’t quite understand the relevance, I’m sorry.
I meant the filler differences probably go beyond the 45mm being a bigger bore than the 37. Maybe early Panzer IIIs were different but the III was specialized in AT, so it’s probably an AT gun that it’s using as opposed to the early Panzer IV’s howitzer.
The engineer AT gun has absolute garbage HE performance as well.
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Ah kk.
Thank you very much for the clarification!
I never said it would have the same ammount of power, just that the current one is weaker than it should be
Nah. Soviets were just really good at stuffing their shells with explody bits.
It has the same amount of filler as the flashbangs the French police used to maim people in the yellow vest protests in what 2019(?). And the worse that did was blow off hands when people attempted to throw it back. So it still would be very little explosive damage.
For balance reasons I’d suggest keeping their radius small, maybe bigger than the 45 can do now. But keep it small because you can absolutely shit rounds out compared to bigger cannons.
Actually the case according to Dmitriy Loza.
Such a case occurred once in Ukraine. Our tank was hit. We jumped out of it but the Germans were dropping mortar rounds around us. We lay under the tank as it burned. We laid there a long time with nowhere to go. The Germans were covering the empty field around the tank with machine gun and mortar fires. We lay there. The uniform on my back was beginning heating up from the burning tank. We thought we were finished! We would hear a big bang and it would all be over! A brother’s grave! We heard many loud thumps coming from the turret. This was the armor-piercing rounds being blown out of their cases. Next the fire would reach the high explosive rounds and all hell would break loose! But nothing happened. Why not? Because our high explosive rounds detonated and the American rounds did not? In the end it was because the American ammunition had more refined explosives. Ours was some kind of component that increased the force of the explosion one and one-half times, at the same time increasing the risk of detonation of the ammunition.
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That literally can not be compared. Explosion mass is not everything. TNT equivalent is. On top of that, the casing matters a lot. Just an explosion does nearly nothing. The shrapnel from the casing is what deals all the damage.
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Yes, that’s why I’m directly comparing the TNT equivalent. We don’t have enough data on the shell or flash grenade to compare the rest.
Unless you’d like to post your source for the historically accurate round and I could scrounge up the french flash grenade and 20-K HE round.
Well for one, the flash grenade is made for a non-lethal role, while the shell is quite literally made of metal, ment to fragmentize during the explosion.
Yes I’m more than aware of that. But we don’t have any data on the shells jacket so bringing it up and assuming things is useless. Only concrete number we have is the TNT (and equivalent) filler.
It would be similar to the current HE shell, just with more filler. So it could have an appropiately increased strenght. Still not quite as strong as that of the 45mm but definitely usable at that point.
Should do this then
Tbh all it needs is to consistently oneshot targets within its current radius, aka ~1-2m kill radius compared to the ~2-3m radius of the 45mm
That’s the odd thing, 45mm HE probably beats 75mm HE by way of RoF alone.
Maybe the Japanese were on to something.
Yesterday thought something had changed - 2 easy wins in a row as Soviets… 3rd one back to normal 
Maybe I just caught the tail end of Russian players before they all went off to bed - was late morning here at UTC + 13 
Occasionally there’s a gathering of good Russia players, or at least bad Germany players. Like the Panzer II that drove into the river and drowned because I blocked a bridge off with hedgehogs.
Don’t laugh - I did that in a BT7 a week or 2 ago - thought there was just enough room to squeeze past… was wrong!
I’ve done it on accident with the T-60 as well on the conquest-only church map, but my argument is that the river actually was fordable on the other side of the map.
This one though was at the entry to the monastery where I know the water is deep everywhere. Tbh kindof poor map design.
Where was also swimming tank T-38. One is a best for you guys as a can see =D
BT-7 can dismantle a it’s tracks and ride on wheels by the road. It’s can ride about 375 km with one fill up a gas. But it have a lot of fuel tanks in its back. Fuel tanks are vulnerable which is a good issue and a good target for a german guns. What’s why BT-7 burns so well! @5762269
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