HMG squad

[doshskia]

@Norse_Knight

The majority of these fire standard rifle rounds so they would do the same damage so why bother

with a heavy barrel and often longer barrel leads to the same round preforming better

[Rackedout]

Not by enough to matter. The game artificially changes damage based on class. A heavier barrel also doesn’t increase damage

[doshskia]

well yes, with heavy barrels the kinetic energy from firing is dissipated more due to the high density leading to less recoil, on top of it being mounted to a fixed position, would almost eliminated any recoil but with a longer barrel “higher efficiency can be achieved in longer barrel firearms because they have better volume ratio” (quote from wiki) longer barrels can lead to higher velocity and better spin leading to more accuracy as well as longer ranges

[doshskia]

@doshskia

longer barrels can lead to higher velocity and better spin leading to more accuracy as well as longer ranges

common firearms knowledge

[jancc]

Btw what is the rof on them
i doubt the slightly improved range will be able to offset the rof or mobility advantage of many lmgs(especially the mg34/42)

Also with them being so slow you would beasically have one squad less for half of your games

[VoyoMayPL]

I’d LOVE to see HMG / MMG squad in game but I don’t quite agree with your idea how to implement it.

First of all: you forgot about MG34/MG42 on a tripod. Me sad.

Now serious:

If this gets implemented, MG nest in it’s current form should be removed. They won’t work in game parallel to each other.

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@Padddie

With HMG in logistic might be available two brend new items - tripod and ammo box. Both is fitted in pouch slot. HMG gunner can not carry both of them, only other specialists or riflemen can.

I’d combine tripod and ammo into “assistant gunner kit” and add things like spare barrels or water cans (only visually and in description of course). Making them a separate items doesn’t make much sense imo.
It will also increase survival chance of a guy with tripod (1 guy with ammo + 1 guy with tripod vs 2 guys with ammo and tripod).

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@Padddie

HMG gunner can firing from the hip with his HMG, but very annaccurate. Just accurate for annihilation in CQB.

Kind of meh imo but well, game is too fast to completelly prohibit HMG gunners from shooting.

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@Padddie

Just accurate for annihilation in CQB. Precice shooting with HMG can be possible only if machine gun is mounted. Mount is still available like for other weapons in game (on ground when prone, on windows, etc.).

This is big no from me.
Most of those weapons weren’t suited to be fired without a tripod. Allowing them to be shot from the hip is enough of a compromise imo.

Of course there should be some exeptions likke mentioned MG34 nad MG42. I guess also M1919A6 or A4 had butstock and could be mounted on a tripod but I’m not sure.
This is an obvious buff for axis of course.

Click here to see my ballance proposal.

MG34 and MG42 should be able to be used as normal LMGs but while they are mounted on a tripod, they will overheat much faster (as they are air cooled).
Also I’d make lafette mount (so MG34 and MG42 on a tripod) great when fired in bursts but normal tripod should have superior recoil reduction in ful auto.

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@Padddie

With ammocrate you can refill empty HMG. That can work in two ways: 1) refilling tripod as object 2) dropping ammo crate with one standart cartridge load, HMG gunner use it similar to engineers ammo crate.

Personally I’d rather see an assistant gunner. A soldier with mentioned AG kit can help in operating the MG (when it’s on tripod) and increase it’s total ammo reserve (by 2-3 belts let’s say).
More about AGs here: Crew-served weapons.

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@Padddie

Standart ammo load is 150 rounds. With little ammo pouch - 200 rd, with large pouch - 250 rd.

This one I don’t really understand. So lenght of ammo belt depends on the ammo pouch you have?

[doshskia]

@jancc

rof

rate of fire is not every think
just think of them as a automatic sniper rifle

@jancc

slightly improved range

and i would not call is a slightly improved, some of them even had sighting equipment for ranges up to 800

[jancc]

Its not everything but its possibly the most important aspect in such weapons
And good luck hitting anything above 200 meters with iron sights without heavy setup

[doshskia]

@jancc

possibly the most important aspect in such weapons

in a game yes in real life no, the sustained fire time was the must important thing about a lmg/hmg

[Padddie]

My model is hardcore, your’s more arcade, and I can’t disagree with your opinion.

As for Engineer-2 MG nest - it’s still have no such usability, as should be. I prefer to built AA guns. They are more powerful, more universal (as anti-infantry and AA), quicker to build. Squad ammo capacity is enough to make 120+ kills. And MG-nest still no need extra ammo in rounds (that is what HMG squad suppose to have).

[VoyoMayPL]

@Padddie

My model is hardcore, your’s more arcade, and I can’t disagree with your opinion.

Infantry gameplay is pure arcade so we have to adapt sadly.

[doshskia]

@VoyoMayPL

arcade

yuck

[jancc]

If im not mistaken this is enlisted forums, so we are talking about a fast paced game, where combat ranges rarely go above 100 m

[Padddie]

Not for all squads. Mortar, flamethrower and AT squads have much less arcade gameplay, then more universal LMG and assault squads. Engineers and snipers in between.

[doshskia]

game is still in open bata so it is subject to change

[Padddie]

@jancc

If im not mistaken this is enlisted forums, so we are talking about a fast paced game, where combat ranges rarely go above 100 m

Not for Tunisia, on Gorge we have planty spots, where you can effectively fight on 200+. If you have propriate weapon, of course.

[doshskia]

or Moscow and berlin for that matter

[jancc]

True there may be a few cases where its useful, but for the majority of games those squads will be dead weight
They will be basically useless when attacking and most combat happens in close ranges

[Padddie]

New maps for Moscow campaign are huge. HMG will be nice on Quarry, or Woodmill in andvance, as well in defence.

[doshskia]

as most hmgs were