German tank destroyer BR changes

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I think it’s about time someone recommended a compiled list of reasonable BR changes to the numerous over tiered German tank destroyers, Japan’s vehicle tree is next.

BR5 → BR4:


The Panzer IV/70(V) is a solid side-grade to the Panther, trading a turret for a better frontal armor profile while retaining the same cannon. It would be a solid choice for anyone running BR4 who wants a good tank hunter.

BR4 → BR3:


Similarly to the Panzer IV/70(V), the Jagpanzer IV is a side-grade to its respective BR’s main tank, this time being the Panzer IV(H). The Jagpanzer IV trades a turret for a better frontal armor profile while retaining the same firepower.

Both of these tanks have poor side armor, making them easy to take care of in anything short or a frontal engagement, but even in a frontal engagement they both have really bad shot-traps so try to aim for the barrel if you can’t pen it, either that or just shoot the lower front plate which is less armored and can knock out the transmission.


The Panzer IV/70(A) is another side-grade to the Panzer IV(H), trading the turret for a slightly better armor profile and an upgrade in firepower. It retains the same weak spots as its turreted brother, making it killable even by most BR2 tanks it would face.

BR3 → BR2:


The Marder III H is yet another side-grade to a vehicle in a lower BR, this time being the Marder III. It has better cover for the still-exposed crew and slightly better performance on its APCBC round, but it’s held back by its ammo load out.

The Marder III H loses HE rounds and APCBC rounds and instead gets APCR, which is situational at best and detrimental at worst, meaning that if you live long enough then eventually the Marder III will have better firepower.


The Stug III F is a Panzer IV F2 with no turret, no machine guns, similar armor profile, the same main cannon, and is still in the same BR. This vehicle is iconic and it deserves viability.


I feel like this one might be the most controversial, but the 15 cm Sig does not deserve to be BR3. It’s main strength is it’s raw firepower, but it’s entire crew is exposed and it has no armor on top of being a case mate. I’ve personally never had a problem facing it because they are ridiculously easy to kill, that’s the whole point. Compared to something like the M8 Scott I believe this is valid. It also doesn’t have a machine gun.

The summarize, being a casemate is a massive detriment in Enlisted compared to War Thunder because you’re fighting infantry 90% of the time, therefore the BR placement of certain vehicles must take into consideration the fact that such vehicles are casemates, and some don’t even have machine guns to defend themselves.

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Too many changes but I agree with the Marder, the Stug and the sIG.

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Why not with the other 3 though? And there’s a lot of changes cause there’s a lot of changes that need to be made.

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Because Panzer IV/70(V) would face BR3 and JPZ4 would face BR2.

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Just like how the KV-1 and welded hull Shermans face BR2, or how the Panther already faces BR3

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Not really convincing, rather asks for further uptiers or straight for BR0+/-.

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you should really make separate suggestions for each vehicle!

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You’re still gonna die most of the time to infantry, planes, a better tanker. Especially infantry since you’re in a casemate.

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I think this way it’s easier to organize, it’s easier to make, and it’s just more convenient than expecting everyone to look through 7 different posts.

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yes, but than at the very least you should make a separate poll for each vehicle so devs know which vehicles have support for downtiering.

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But if the post does well enough then they’ll know that all these vehicles have support for downtiering. And honestly all of them do deserve to be downtiered.

And what is the point?
Put Tiger 2 to BR1 because every moron with TNT/ nukepacks and 50kg bombs can take it out at the end of the day?

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But how do they do know that everyone supports all of these and not just “accepted” some for other BR changes.

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Like the rules and what other have said please make it 1 vehicle at a time

Please make a newer topic following the rules.

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