Adjust the rate of fire of the AVT-40 to real-world conditions

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Mortarion_Death

It turns out that 200-250 shots is normal. Then why are you criticizing the AVT-40?

If it renders the gun useless, it really isnt.
Hence the question, hows the avt quick barrel change working out.

[Mortarion_Death]

about the same as on FG-42

[TUSUPOLISI69]

quite relevant for subject of avt / mg42

anyway

The FG42’s practical rate of fire is estimated to be around 250 rounds per minute

But no mention about melting rifling so try again

[robihr]

@Mortarion_Death

It turns out that 200-250 shots is normal. Then why are you criticizing the AVT-40?

The different versions meant that the service life of an MG 42 barrel varied between 3,500 and 8,000 rounds assuming the barrel was used according to the regulations, which prohibited rapid fire beyond 150 rounds. Excessive overheating caused by rapid firing about 500 rounds through a barrel resulted in unacceptable wear of the bore rendering the barrel useless.

mg42 had 150 rounds of continuous fire as normal, while avt 40 had 150 rounds of continuous fire as breaking point…

[Valkay]

@Mortarion_Death

It turns out that 200-250 shots is normal.

one is a machine gun designed for sustained fire, the other is a semi-automatic rifle designed to be fired 10 times a minute. Its no brainer to figure out that AVT-40 wont last long in full-auto.

[GeneralBrus]

Even modern selectfire rifles aren’t really used in full auto - in the context of Enlisted where everyone is constantly mag dumping with rifles this shouldn’t really matter.

I say - if the gun had a different rate of fire in the real world? Why not change it.

First the rates of fire should be implemented correctly - and then should the gun be balanced accordingly. This now also would effect other guns as well.

STG 44 had a rate of fire of 500, this should be corrected and then afterwards a way should be found to make that gun still effective in BR5 ( like higher damage/accuracy)

[Valkay]

@GeneralBrus

STG 44 had a rate of fire of 500

500-600 rpm actually, while AS-44 had around 600, but both have more with about 10% for some reason.
The only difference is that fire rate actually matters for ARs since they are 2 hit kill while SF rifles are one hit.

[GENxCatrenko-live]

@robihr

it is perfectly fine to buff it to 750… that way maximum would be 830 just like fg42… that way some soviet mains will be extremely happy…

Yes

[Darenius1]

@Mortarion_Death

It turns out that 200-250 shots is normal. Then why are you criticizing the AVT-40?

Do you even know why machineguns swap their barrels?
Apparently not… Maybe you should just shut up when talking about thing you do not even understand.

A small hint, it is not because the old barrel is totally ruined and unuseable just like how it is described here…

@TUSUPOLISI69

The automatic fire was largely uncontrollable, and the rifles often suffered breakages under the increased strain. Documents discovered after the war indicated that during testing, under continuous automatic fire, an AVT-40’s barrel would be “shot out”, meaning the rifling in the barrel would be completely worn down, in as little as 200-250 rounds.

The machinegun would swap barrels in before it would take damage at all or cause premature dischage bullets cooking off due to the heat of the barrel.

Once a barrel change was initiated the old barrel would be replaced by a spare barel and the old barrel would be put aside for a few minuts to properly cool down. Once it cooled down enough it could be used again and replace the “new” barrel. By cycling through the same 3 or 4 barrels again and again a machine gun could keep all its barrels from overheating and in turn from any additional burden on the rifling from continious fire.

@Mortarion_Death

The MG-42 barrel won’t hold up to 50 rounds in a row. lol. Although it’s a thick machine gun barrel.

Any sorce for that or did you just make that up?
A machine gun that cant shoot 50 rounds when it is issued with 50 round boxes by default would be very stupid so I highly doubt that claim of yours. Also again a barrel swap is still far away from having your rifling melting and your gun ruined just like how it happens on the AVT.

[Mortarion_Death]

@TUSUPOLISI69

The FG42’s practical rate of fire

@TUSUPOLISI69

under continuous automatic fire, an AVT-40’s

continuous fire and practical fire are not the same thing so try again

@TUSUPOLISI69

The automatic fire was largely uncontrollable, and the rifles often suffered breakages under the increased strain. Documents discovered after the war indicated that during testing, under continuous automatic fire, an AVT-40’s barrel would be “shot out”, meaning the rifling in the barrel would be completely worn down, in as little as 200-250 rounds. The use of the AVT’s automatic fire mode was subsequently prohibited, and production of the rifle was relatively brief; none were made after the summer of 1943.

^ Wikipedia

and where is the link to the source of this nonsense?

[Mortarion_Death]

The barrel of a machine gun is different from the barrel of a rifle, in case you didn’t know. So that’s normal.

[Mortarion_Death]

@Valkay

Its no brainer to figure out that AVT-40 wont last long in full-auto.

Its no brainer to figure out that this applies to both FG-42 and T-20 and Auto Hey

@Darenius1

Any sorce for that or did you just make that up?

why are you so aggressive? Too much internet today? Go outside, touch the grass.
Yes, I was wrong here, there is no need to make such a drama out of it, especially since people before you have already pointed out my mistakes to me.

[robihr]

@Mortarion_Death

and where is the link to the source of this nonsense?

• The barrel life is 6000 rounds when firing 50 rounds per minute, after which the rifle was allowed to cool. Continuous fire brings the life down to 150-200 rounds.

AVT-40 Testing Report - Forgotten Weapons

@Mortarion_Death

The barrel of a machine gun is different from the barrel of a rifle, in case you didn’t know. So that’s normal.

[Veekay45]

Name AVT-40
Calibre 7.62
Magazine size 10

I support the idea of adjusting the magazine size of AVT-40 to real world conditions

[Mortarion_Death]

yes yes, AVT-40, SVT-40, what’s the difference

[robihr]

tell me what is the name of full auto modification of svt40? maybe avt40?

[Mortarion_Death]

It can be called whatever you want, but these are different rifles.

[robihr]

if it makes you feel better… svt40 and avt40 are totally different rifles… they have absolutely nothing in common…

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Mortarion_Death

continuous fire and practical fire are not the same thing so try again

True, how ever this was your claim that its same as FG42 or MG42 so burden of proof lays on your shoulders.
Im not going to do your work.

@Mortarion_Death

and where is the link to the source of this nonsense?

Id guess at bottom of page ?
But then again, considering the fact that the production was discontinued rather quick due to that weapon being absolute carbage Id say its quite pointless to argue about it.

If something was sht on soviet standards it definitely was bad then.

[Mortarion_Death]

@TUSUPOLISI69

True, how ever this was your claim that its same as FG42 or MG42 so burden of proof lays on your shoulders.
Im not going to do your work.

but I didn’t say that for sure. Can you explain why you decided that?

@TUSUPOLISI69

Id guess at bottom of page ?

it’s not there.