I guess that “sloped armor” is a bit stronger than it should be, while penetration is not as important as pure dmg.
This lead us to these weird dmg models where the Panzer IV is stronger fighting of enemy tanks than the Panzer III, even tho the Panzer IV was just infantry support with poor anti tank capabilities. Its just that post penetration is really weak and high pen guns, because of that tanks like the Jumbo, the panzer III, and the T50 all deal very little dmg.
The 45mm gun is mediocre against the Px 4’s and Pz3E - it can penetrate if there is no angle and you hit the right place - but mostly that is not the case.
If the Pz4E were to get HEAT then the T28 should get it’s APHE.
The 45mm can pen all german tanks unless you’re a total idiot.
Aim anywhere here and you’ll pen with 0 issues.
Pz3J is a little bit more difficult, but you can still pen front plate with 0 problems and it’s mantlet is a lot weaker, so you can pen that too.
Honestly, I wouldn’t mind that. Taking into account that the T28 has more mgs and more crew, I’d say the pz4s should get 20 HEAT shells and the T28 10 APHE shells
Yes any tank should get its historical ammo. Pz4 HEAT, T-28 APHE etc.
Well Germany has Two AT things in mind to that isnt up here. That balance in for T-50
From how i see this is:
The only thing that bothered me balance wise in Moscow is: Accuracy on insane smgs like PPD at long ranges, IL:2s armor, Biplane superiority and perhaps shotguns to now when Russia has even more domination in close combat at early stages and beyond to later stages. But even then an Good player with an ppsh meeting an good player with MKB i think the PPSH will dominate, but since MKB is also an “sniper” in mind you cant compare them but are just an equalizer per say overall and perhaps slight better which weight in for other bs you been up to during that campaign.
German Mgs could be an good defense to this but since DP is also an monster i cant put that in as an cqc equalizer per say ^^ Well ofc you should have the wonderful ZB asw counted in to this. But that gun is more of an support mid/long range MG then for assault
All panzer 3s had their intended use be against armored vehicles, not just the J. But game wise they’re crap at both.
Both sides have aircraft capable of destroying tanks. And the only good infantry weapon against tanks germany has is the GRB, which is unlocked so late it doesn’t make much difference. If it was like lvl 20 or something, then It would be a valid counter.
Shotgun buff doesn’t affect moscow cqc at all. The starting PPD is still far better than the TOZ.
I mean, they’re still better. Not exactly an equalizer, but it does help a lot. ZB and Mg13 are fairly equal to the DP and Mg34 is a bit better.
So many people are downplaying the 45mm for whatever reason despite being one of the fastest-firing cannons in the game with 70mm + of penetration because they can’t fathom what it’s like to have a fair opinion.
Oh i forgot the Mg13 so its bit fair with that in mind to. Wouldnt say the 3j is bad at killing tanks but you got a point there for sure.
They are not equal to the DP in my opinion but youre right Mg34 is slight better then the DP overall because of its firerate but the DP is stronger per shot and take like 2 to kill someone.
They kinda are I would say. They reload faster and have better recoil and accuracy, while the DP has better mag size.
As well as overall accuracy and handling. The only better thing about the DP is the reload speed.
Don’t all moscow mgs have 12 hitpower?
The 3J works well against most tanks, just not the T50.
Cant agree on this since you dont need much to kill someone with it, rly small burst instant kills them so you can pretty much have an killing spree with it mid range without using bipod. Mg34 is however bit better when it comes to close quarters though but are more reliable on its bipod when coming to control mid range effectively
Try to just quick tap it (like you do with smgs at long range) and you’ll see that it reeks havoc accurately.
Yeah, that doesn’t seem to work with the DP, as the recoil pattern is annoying. Works a lot better with the mg34.
Weird since i recall holding down an whole building across the street with the DP standing up. Something i could have done with the mg36 asw but with more struggle in a way. That DP i picked up just slapped them as soon as i touched them
Very odd. To me, the mg 34 simply seems a lot better than the DP at this, as:
like said could be in the technique. Quick tap like br br instead of brrr brrr and see if that makes a difference with the DP.
Yeah at point blank and no angles - try reading what I actually said FFS!
It can pen at all angles until the tank starts showing side armor. Then you can pen the side. Range wise it can pen at all normal engagement ranges in Enlisted.
Are you using hte protection map from WT to determine that?
Because although it shows vast swathes of the tank as “green” the actual point penetration for much of the front and sides are actually yellow-orange-and even grey at a 45 degree angle as per these 3 screenshots at 100m range:
And inaddition to the 1:1 penetration analysis of course like most poor liitle wheraboos you seem blind to the obvious advantages of having 75mm HE and a well spaced crew that it enjoys and which are a major benefit.
The 45mm reloads at 2.9 seconds, the Pz4 75 at 3.6 seconds - it is a noticeable difference, but one that pales into small significance against the 75mm’s destructive power - the 45 simpley does not kill as many crew with reliability as the 75mm does against any Soviet tank. And the 75 can pen the T50 at any range and any angle and kill all 3 turret crew every time by hitting the cupola, which is of course handily highliughted by the penetration marker in the game.
Apparently some people cannot that here is more than 1 dimension to the “balance”, and none of the tanks are exactly equivalent to the otehrs.
absolutely true, the Panzer IV wipes infantry out of existence sooo fast, its insane, thus it should be lacking against tanks right? well it kinda does vs the T50, however its still much better against tanks than the Panzer III J, simply because the T50s weakspots are located where you dont deal much dmg even after penetrating, thus you NEED the big HE AP from the panzer IV to deal with the T50.
Panzer III has it “easy enough” to hit the small areas at the T50s turret, but you need multile shots to take out the crew, while the panzer IV once he gets a good hit, its usually one hit kill.
True. How ever even if i love the Pnz3j for its armor it still struggles (from the front) against low tier tanks if they know what they are doing, so youre not that safe as you might think. But that tank is shit overall compared to Pnz4 due to many reasons. Two major is that it has very bad turret rotation in comparison along with HE capability and MG. How ever you can be a good tank hunter with it but overall i must agree that Pnz4 is an way better option and think the pnz4 felt faster and agile to (which could be an placebo affect from the turret rotation) so theres that asw
