kill issue
it is more cheap option yes… but once kiraly has vertical perk , or semi auto toggled it is quite good at range too… one of few SMGs here where semi auto actually makes some sense
I can kill people with a nagant revolver
Its just that its not as effective as a TT
Same goes for the MP35
I love the kiraly 39M
Why? Kiraly has better stats and from my experience, I think it can counter PPSh or PPD
Let me give you some numbers
Maxed out Kiraly
Vs.
Maxed out Mp35/I
The Kiraly wins in the firerate (790-870 vs 560-620)
The Kiraly wins in the reload (2.0 secs vs 2.9 secs)
The Kiraly wins in the hitpower (7.9 vs 7.2), this also means it wins over damage reduction over distance (3.5 vs 3.2)
The only reason why Kiraly may lose is because of the upgrade cost (in which I recommend stop being poor)
and for me, recoil doesn’t matter, learn to control recoil, plus the recoil between both is comparable.
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Sten mk.2
Or even just with MP38.
1,7 times better dmg (not really interesting), same dispersion, way worse mag size, worse rof and worse recoil (despite the fact that the PPSh and PPD have higher rof) and 1 second faster reload time than the PPSh…
Cool.
(Aside from the stats, I need a Tier III gun to counter a Tier II gun? Balance I guess)
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Well I guess I’m lucky that I face mentally challenged Moscow Allied mains that can’t fight against my Kiraly even if they spammed PPSh.
But let me tell you, the little numbers, it makes all the difference.
I get where you’re coming from tho, Moscow Allies mostly get the better equipment, I’m hoping they balance it soon.
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What do the German actually offer/ where they have the upper hand?
in late game moscow ? Mkb perhaps … imo BA are better overall for axis at least i like them very much, also SMGs too, Machine guns definitely … axis tanks aint that bad either in comparison to allied … at least should not be… i didnt have a chance to meet t-34 in my pz4 f1 yet … ive always considered axis side in moscow interesting despite others opinion… but yeah pzb 39 is like … why ? 
but i like playing everything … at least for me the more czechoslovak stuff the better
Before or after the dispersion nerf?
Winchester…
Here we go again.
Asymmentrical balance is a joke here. The Germans dont offer much except minor minor minor “better” dmg and dispersion (at least the 20 M38 and the MP35) stats, which is a joke compared to higher rof, bigger magazines and partly even better recoil.
Mkb vs. AVT is better. At least the AVT has ONE actual better stat, which is its dmg (not just 1,7x higher, but around 5x)
Just coincidence that the MG34 has one of the highet mg dispersion and useless high rof which kills its recoil. I guess (and killing its purpose as an GPMG).
The Madsen may be worse, but at the end, the commies throw it away and get their DPs and DTs and I doubt you can counter that with the ZB.
So the Soviets also need to either switch to a Panzer III to semi-properly pen the mantlet of the T-50 or pray to rngesus with the Panzer IV, and got another Panzer III against the T-34 while the sole HEAT-using Panzer IV is behind paywall?
No. Huh.
So meh. Maybe planes but we are not talking about HVAR nukes but about two 250kg bombs (which is quite meh. My P-51-D has it as well)
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the only problem that the kiraly has this shitty circle recoil, its fucking hard to swing the mouse left and right to hold it on target
MKB sniper that wasnt affected by nerf
winchester is lovely but i dont care really about that … i just like using axis guns more … even finnish mosin is more appealing imo
yeah we know how it is … and how it should be … while axis get dozen of ofther SMGs … soviets get like 4 … quite the same … which was and is still bit boring … and without any overheats or mechanical flaws these smgs behave like lasers … i prefer axis smgs more just because of their diversity… as you say asymmetrical balance is joke here though .
But all that diversity smalltalk and nice feeling of ww2 goes to vain when a 5 assaulters squads armed with PPSH 41 appears
MG34 can be tinkled with… after all it had tunable ROF … but i think MG42 is on its way to moscow already
ZB is beautiful but in late game its more of a gimmick than effective MG … though i still have one around for fun
AVT should not be here but thats an old song that everyone stoped caring about … MKB too should not be here but anyway … i do play allies too in moscow and i must admit that full auto rifles like AVS with vertical perk are not that useless as i thought they would be ,
but i would take scoped MKB over AVS anytime just because its more precise … AVS is good really only when you have large ammo pouch and vertical perk … the gun is like FG 42
however its only a matter of time before scoped version will be the same as offscoped so … idk man im in the point where i dont really care if my weapon has some bigger disadvantages than my enemys guns … besides MKB 42 was bit more harder to master than mp43 cause of its different mechanism and if this is shown in the game then im fine with that…
but hey if there are such details shown i would be happy to see some malfunctions on soviet weaponry as well because that also something that happened according to historical records 
Tanks ? these i wont comment … historically the axis should be more technologically advanced which is not shown in a game so (moscow axis ) … t50 nonsense and its duration to this day only shows how capable devs sometimes are
Well. At least I feel that the gun acts worse than in the past. Maybe its just me then. Edit. Confused it with Stalingrad.
Which one? The 20 Beretta M38? Uhh… I am not sad that the Axis forces dont have it in other campaigns and have to use the 40er one. 39M… sure if you dont own Stalingrad. I get what you mean but you can get the diversity in other campaigns as well and the PPS and the M3 Grease are less aids than the PPD34 Drum.
It makes “sense”… at least more than the PPD and 50% of the gear in Moscow and Africa.
Which is bad for the rof. MG34/42 and M1919 have the same stat recoil, yet the M1919 has a rather low recoil (and way better dispersion)…
It was a different story back in the old days. At least the MG34 was better with recoil despite rof than the DP, which gave the Germans an actual advantage there. Now its a weird hipfire monster for trenches (which imho isnt the point of a GPMG) and loses to the DT.
Oh and next MG will be Mg34 with mickey mouse mags for the meme.
AVS is a joke (at least as auto gun). I dont use it beyond one pleb in one squad. Some people complain that the Germans have no (inf issued) SF in Moscow and while I get the complain here… its actually a better SA rifle and not on the level of the AVT or Fed… at least for me.
Yes and no. Mkb is based and all that…
But people dont wanna grind 35+ levels to get the bloody MKb and not getting ass-kicked by the PPD and PPSh.
Turning the front of the T-34 into a “yellow” zone would be enough… or…
Easy solution… just buff the bloody MG34 and give the Germans HEAT for at least ONE tank.
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The Kiraly 39 is easily one of the most dominant SMGs in the game. Nothing matches it’s balance of controllable and predictable recoil along with firerate, damage, and mag size as well as reload time. It’s truly a near-flawless gun. The PPSH has unpredictable recoil and fairly poor dispersion, despite it’s glorious mag size and firerate (the Shpitalny 1940 fixes both of these problems, and gives the gun a 97 rd mag, truly awesome)
The MP35 has a basic mag, mid dispersion, pretty good damage, pretty good sights, and a good reload speed. It’s statistically a pretty good gun. But it struggles at long range (the MP40 is a long range god), doesn’t have the firerate to win against competitive firearms at close range (like the kiraly and PPSH) and is sort of unreliable.
If anyone thinks the Vickers Berthier is the worst LMG, you’re just dumb. I’m not trying to be mean or anything, but let’s be honest, the thing has no damn recoil at all. It’s a laser. The Bren flies all over the place. Not the Berthier. It’s better than the bren in basically every way.
The M38 with the 20rd is just not good. It’s not worth it. The beretta 1918 is a beast though.
MP38 is very safe option. Just barely worse MP40.
The De Lisle is horrible, that’s just undeniable.
The Nagant is a disgrace to pistols. All the revolvers in this game are just terrible.
The sten really isn’t bad, idk why you think that. It’s alright all around.
The MG34 is extremely overrated. It’s dispersion and recoil truly kill the gun. The MG42 and ZB26 are both better than the MG34. The Patronentrommel probably beats the ZB but still loses to the MG42.
The DP I personally believe beats the MG34. It’s dispersion and very predictable recoil just win in that battle.
Ahhh man. Kiraly is a dream. There are maps it’s not suited for but it’s a favorite for sure
this one a definite close right parrot?
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If you want a bad weapon, in fact the worst, buy the gold order S&W Light rifle.
It’s not just light, it’s completely weightless.
Even worse than M1 carbine.
A mosquito bite hits harder.
(this is an old topic, will be closed I guess)
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yea 2 year definitely a close but yea glad i didnt buy that gun unique but not that decent for br3+
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Is that thing BR3?? 
I bought it like 2 years ago, didnt know much yet about the game or how things work (still dont, lol).
Was hoping to get a super gun that destroys all.
But it was soooo weak that I immediately sold it for nearly nothing.
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