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You are basically arguing : It is real beacuse I READ so. Unable to provide any kind of proof. There are even t20’s in real life right now, and they only made a few of those. Really makes you ponder…
https://web.archive.org/web/20100902024908/http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl16-e.htm
At no point was there a 20-Round Magazine, only a 15 round magazine with Striper Clip support
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Please give me footage of your 20 round magazine being used in the AVS 36. I have already provided footage above
You are welcome to proceed here https://forum.enlisted.net/en/t/research-of-simonov-auto-rifle-for-20-rounds-delavr
Your opinion is very important to me
Footage is video, not photos
Notice how there isn’t any form of photos also that are from different perspective or even from outsiders? Only just straight from the publisher from the Soviet Union. It is kind of a too bad the soviet union is known for being discreditable and falsifying a lot of their documents, which then requires you to work more to get views from other perspectives, not just from 1 source.
I bothered to read the link. It has many layers of mistery , things forgotten, things believed to be. With your own words you are saying that it is not even known if the magazines would fit the serial AVS 36. What are we doing here ? playing pretend, what could have been ?
And still no footage of the AVS 36 with 20 bullets magazine ?
What else? 3d-copy? Cup of coffee? I understand zoomers - do like some tik tok videos.
So newbies - if you found some arguments - try. But for now the real photos, documents and books told us - There was an early AVS for 20 rounds. And also you can see a real photos of 20, even 25 rounds magazine. Thats okey.
Book which have this information - publish in modern Russia and its very respected publicity. Another - an official munual of AVS-36 - 100% truth. Everyone can read and make his own opinion. If very few nonames from a forum can dissagre its okey
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You don’t understand what we are telling you, you are the kind of guy who trusts everything he hears, never questioning authenthicity. You can’t even comprehend basic words. Honk attached a video of a guy using an actual FG 42.That alone is footage. You can’t fake that. Where is your AVS ? only on paper. In that very link you posted, there are only historical pictures of the AVS with 10 round magazine not more. I’m done talking to you, waste of my time.
So dont talk to me as you do at least half of that day.
But in this photo pretty much the same AVS as on the other, which I proof -
Its quite obvious except somebody just DONT want some new good gun for soviets for any reason.
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And below this picture from Encyclopedy published 15 years ago writen certain things. This is early AVS. What else? You need a picture of AVS with a 25 mag in in it? Here you go
I wounder that else do you need?
Its a new book
You can look it by yourself as well
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/DTu9/2bYMCgRfj/_книги/_ЭнцКоврОр%201918-66
But you come here blame, insult me for that? Not such a good plan to stop add something in game
Where is video of Autohey? Cenders, all other stuff we have here - why after a 5 years of prototypes some wise guy start asking me to bring video as a proof? Is that some kind of a joke you boys kidding right?
Well, can you find a video where the FG 42 with a 10-round magazine would be used? For some reason, I don’t find any such, which means that it didn’t exist? Obviously, this is not a true statement.
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Well, the accusations of falsification of documents by the Soviet Union are simply ridiculous, maybe it seems to me from Russia that these American documents are falsified and the t20 rifle actually used its 10-round magazines and did not have an automatic firing mode! Well, I don’t see a video anywhere named with the t20 rifle that is presented in the game.
Think further - falsifying documents is not an argument, besides, there was no need to do this, then ~ 90 years ago no one would have falsified documents with the thought “that in the future this weapon will be added to a video game and it would be necessary to make it more attractive characteristics for the sake of effectiveness in a video game”
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Why do I need to find that ? In game FG 42 has 20 bullets, in the video it has also 20 bullets.
Oh are they really ? It is known that all regimes have the habit of falsifying things. I was born in a country with a communist regime other than Russia and guess what, they did the same thing. If you can’t accept that, I can only assume you have some biases for the good old days.
It is an argument when the only source of something comes from a single place, without any physical proof in real life other than one source. I will reiterate : No AVS with 20 bullets was ever found.
How can you think this is the scope of falsifying documents ? What you said is just a byproduct of what happens when you do that. Documents are falsified for propaganda reasons, to make a country look as if it is producing way more than it actually is, or that it’s tech is way more advanced than it actually is. It has to look good on paper.
There is fg with grenadeluncher firing?
The book published in 2012. Your past is your problems. Blame entire country for false AVS manual - that’s a nonsence
Again - one document for soldiers which is written about 20 rounds mags. For what in the world reason it can be a hoax?? You so funny
And again - there is a book published in 2012 with lots of stuff about 20 rounds mags.
And this is only a few sources - these is much more
How can you still miss the point of the discussion ? I have never said auto hei is real, or that all weapons in enlisted are real. My problem is that you are trying to make the AVS 36 with 20 bullets real.
Admit that the AVS 36 with 20 bullets is as fake as the auto hei and the hyde and I will not say anything anymore.
If you don’t have it in you to admit it is fake, I will continue asking : If so many were produced, why can’t we see even one in real life ?
Are you blind or what? It’s written in official manual (which is history artefact) its written about in a decent reasch in many modern sources.
Photos of it is found.
Say that all of it hoax just a joke. You have nothing to prove it. But you offend is obvious - just refuse to give something to soviets as you write by yourself - so simple