What kind of game should Enlisted be?

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Does HA really hurt game balance or casual playing mod?

quite sure it did → merge.

[MR_87]

@TUSUPOLISI69

quite sure it did

But why don’t we see such imbalance in some games that have more HA?
Simply abandoning a significant element of a game simply means the devs didn’t have the wisdom to handle it.

And it doesn’t seem to be more balanced after the merge.

[VoyoMayPL]

@MR_87

And it doesn’t seem to be more balanced after the merge.

Nonsense. It fixed everything.

[TheOnlyB33]

I’ll say the game should be a pve main with historical accuracy within the least tolorance of balancing with a little pvp factor

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@MR_87

But why don’t we see such imbalance in some games that have more HA?

Games like HLL ? Could say the single biggest reason is somewhat competent playerbase.

@MR_87

Simply abandoning a significant element of a game simply means the devs didn’t have the wisdom to handle it.

Bipods soon

@MR_87

And it doesn’t seem to be more balanced after the merge.

Id say they are, dont get me wrong balance is still fkd up regarding BR 1-2 for example.
But still much better than what we had.

[CaptainSebekel]

My favorite so far.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

With the bombardment of impact grenades and the proliferation of experimental weapons, and weapons that travel through history (due to merge)

Because none of this existed before.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

historical accuracy

Devs dont want and most people dont want it if it means getting al-buttfucked as non-SU before 1941 and non-German post 1941.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

WT’s different modes could satisfy either casual players or those who love historical accuracy. Despite this, WT is still widely criticized, but since its mechanics are almost unique in the world, players have to accept them.

The realistic mode isnt really historical and is still determined by performace. Its just “coincidence” that 80% of early shit stuff is early/ pre-war. But it still doesnt stop Cold War from popping up in Finland matches.
Simulator or however its called… never really played it and dont know anyone who really spent time there.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

The crude matching mechanism (123|345) makes BR1 and BR4 almost meaningless, while the BR3 experience depends on luck. In contrast, WT’s room divisions are much more detailed, with decimals making them more precise.

At the end, its still the same. They could make normal numbers and it would be mostly the same. Its only the queues that matter and WT has a bit more there than Enlisted.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

they must replace all of their squad weapons with high BRs before they can engage in combat - otherwise they are forced to face high BR opponents while they only have a large number of low BR weapons and a small number of high BR weapons.

And thats bad because…
Lets not pretend that people used diverse arsenals before.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Berlin look ridiculous

Not like the old constant ez winning of Germany together with German air superiority and bombers and masses of FG42s was less ridiculous.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

game would still be unbalanced,

Not really. Only issue seems to be US with shitty end-gear stuff and buggy IS-2. Other than that, Moscow, Tunisia and even Normandy makes more fun because people dont lol-cow with T-34s and Shermans/ gap of equipment.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

the arbitrary strategic point

What are you even talking about? Maps are still shit but if Russians cant camp so much with T-34s or Germans with Tiger Es in D-Day, so let it be it. If they cant win without greyzones, I dont see BR to blame here.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

WWII FPS’s?I

So many?
There are like three left and all of them are not free and realistic shooters.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

What is the cost of giving up historical accuracy?

You cant have costs if it never existed.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

those potential HA supporters

You mean those 10+20 Facebook plebs?
Wont be missed?

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

once sarcastically commented on me being a new player

Who cares?

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

better graphics, more realistic vehicle damage mechanics from WT, ai squads,

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

I don’t want to discuss much about what mechanics HA should have here.

Pfff
I want HA. How? I dont know. Someone else should do that.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Tommy did a great Big Action Mod with

Which Im pretty sure was about HA and not about a deeper gameplay.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

light HA is enough

Whatever that means.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

In fact, DF has been using game mechanics to mask their poor map design and weapon loadout balance:

No shit.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

but claim that HA hurts game balance

They do and still say it.

[SexyTent]

I would like to see the Arcade and Realistic modes in WT introduced, as well as PVE Instant Battle and Campaign modes.
Yeah, I know that’s a tall order with the way they are merging and raking up the player base…
But I think that’s the kind of final solution that should be taken eventually.

[Edward55418]

@Valkay

I started playing this game due to its unique squad mechanic. Best idea I always wanted to see a WW2 game.

what mechanic ?

[Aurora_Pioneer_I]

@CaptainSebekel

Who cares?

If you really don’t care, you won’t comment at all.
In your comment:

• Almost every my sentence is taken out of context.
• Full of assertions without a derivation process, sometimes even forgets how to use words.
• Knows nothing about certain parts of something but persists in making a generalized assessment
• Failure to recognize the underlying logical connection between two objects
• Demonstrates a sense of superiority by belittling and labeling specific groups of gamers
• To negate any merit of the whole thing by a few special examples
• ……

There is only one answer, the Freikorps are still fighting.
Judge me. It doesn’t matter. The future of Enlisted will acquit me.

@CaptainSebekel

But fails to state any example. Got it.

Every sentence of yours is an example, it is better for you to find out which one is NOT, so that it is more economical to save pen and ink.

@CaptainSebekel

So why even bother to reply?

I like to watch things that are not important but funny.
Logical fallacies are common on the internet anywhere. Just want to remind others to discern them, not you.

[mergenthewise]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Bipods soon

Source ?

[CaptainSebekel]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

If you really don’t care, you won’t comment at all.

I dont care for anecdotes. Player numbers did not drop on a scale, but the bot numbers dropped.
So why should we care about some random dudes that have no impact on the player numbers (so far)?
If this HA 2.0 community is so big, why didn’t the numbers drop on a notable scale? Why are the likes on the forum regarding historical-accuracy-immersion-whatever mostly capped at 10?

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Almost every my sentence is taken out of context.

But fails to state any example. Got it.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Full of assertions without a derivation process, sometimes even forgets how to use words.

Well. I can only work with what I get and that’s not so much despite 2k word count.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Failure to recognize the underlying logical connection between two objects

But fails to state any example. Got it.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

Demonstrates a sense of superiority by belittling and labeling specific groups of gamers

Puh After all those fancy rants ehm statements, the private messages, or the alt-flagging, I’m pleased to see that you still can’t get from that sweet moral high ground.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

To negate any merit of the whole thing by a few special examples

That’s what is called backing up arguments. May apply that beyond your wannabe-academic smart shitting.
But I am really sorry that I used examples to show what I mean/ back up my words. How dare I?

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

There is only one answer, the Freikorps are still fighting.

I think the Freikorps were a bit larger than the HA 2.0 Enlisted Facebook Group.
Let alone more successful.

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

It doesn’t matter

So why even bother to reply?

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

. The future of Enlisted will acquit me.

Yeah… would be the first time, you are right so you should not bet on you, sir.

[Ghost_of_Zeon]

Same did not sign up for hard core mlg type game too much that trash on market as is

[Ghost_of_Zeon]

graveyard of dev killed games.

[CaptainSebekel]

Kinda late to realise that.

[Ghost_of_Zeon]

it only started to be that after the merge. before it was casual play game and even a losing battle was fun now every match is one sides to Exstream even wining is not fun

[CaptainSebekel]

@Ghost of Zeon@live

it only started to be that after the merge

Yeah because as we all know the Germans already had rocket launchers in Africa and a Italian tank modification that was deployed in Italy mid 1943. And we also all know that the Russian still deployed a battle rifle from the Great War in 1945 despite the last chunk of them being lost during the Winter War and severe lack of ammo for it. Or that the US deployed masses of weapons and the first P-38 which were all phased out and somehow landed with a tank that wasnt in France until September 1944. Or…

Oh gameplay is the issue?
Yeah, the FG42 was NEVER spamed before merge. Before the merge, everyone had the sanity and just used is in paratrooper squads which is why we rarely saw it. Same applies to phosphor nades which DF nerrfed before merge because of fun… or flamethrowers… or rifle grenades… or drum and AR weapons… or other SF rifles… or…

It was totally different… somehow… I guess. Funny mental gymnastics.

@Ghost of Zeon@live

a losing battle was fun now

Oh ja. Soviet players couldnt get enough of constantly losing Berlin… or German before in Berlin… or Americans/ Germans in Normandy depending on new toys… or…
Im pretty sure the 2:1 player ratio in Tunisia was because people didnt had enough fun constantly losing as Germany which is why they kept playing Allies or switch campaign.
That was really fun.

@Ghost of Zeon@live

one sides to Exstream even wining is not fun

Real mental gymnastics to the point of greenwashing the shitty past.

[Ghost_of_Zeon]

your clearly a gijin paid Shil so i don’t care what you say. no matter what someone’s complaint you praise the game blindly. And preach their saint hood.

[CaptainSebekel]

Yeah because Im cleary getting paid for calling their past three years of development a failure and marketing lie and their merge a modest success in terms of numbers for DF level.
You got me, mate.

[ShadowAce24]

@mergenthewise

Dispersion rates are totally all over the place. Mp 38 is the most accurate smgs of german for example but way slower and less deadly fnab 43 has way more dispersion than mp38.

You want to know something ? PPSh-41 35 rounds has 0.25 (0.21 max) dispersion, it’s known from god know when, but maybe during release of Berlin Campaign which is SUPER old (stopped before they released berlin public) while most soviets smgs have between like 0.8 to 0.7 dispersion. IT HAS almost same dispersion as the AVS-36 maxed out, a Select fire rifle. It’s nuts

[ShadowAce24]

@Aurora_Pioneer_I

The crude matching mechanism (123|345) makes BR1 and BR4 almost meaningless, while the BR3 experience depends on luck. In contrast, WT’s room divisions are much more detailed, with decimals making them more precise.

Heroes & Generals did had a matchmaking system, with bronze, silver and gold matchmaking, but it’s like older stuff and i didn’t remembered how it worked