If the Browning M1918 is so obsolete, then it should be in BRII since it doesn’t compare to the superior MGs made in WW2. Please bump its BR down. Thank you.
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Yeah Fedorov is obsolete as it was made in 1916, so should it be BR 1 ?
BAR guns are really good at BR3 honestly, they don’t need to be lowered to BR 2, they are the only MG that have lowered movement penalty, turning them into pseudo assault rifle. There is almost no difference between M1918, M1918A1 and M1918A2, all of them being good at BR3, lowering one of them would not make any sense imo.
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I completely agree. The M1918 should be BR2.
Example reason: when playing with my kids, they like to take squads that are loaded up with Springfields (don’t ask why) I should be able to drop down to the lowest BAR from my M1919 and play with them without the risk that I’m going to get us matched in the 3,4,5 queue and handicap the entire match. I shouldn’t have to drop from an M1919 to a horrible Bren or Vickers in order to play. Those aren’t US weapons.
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I don’t remember the developers typing, “The Fedorov is an obsolete machine gun.” in its description. Do you? But since you want to be this way, let’s ask some questions first:
Is the BAR M1918 a select fire rifle that uses a mag with more than 20 rounds, is used exclusively by assaulters, has no sprint debuff, has a dispersion below 0.33, has a recoil multiplier of 0.3, has a dispersion movement penalty for ADS of 0, and has a dispersion movement penalty of for hip firing of .15?
Should the Type 97 MG be bumped up to BR III? It has better stats, is the same size as the magazine, and has a scope.
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No that’s for sure, but it is not BR5 either.
In game description does not make any sense whatsoever, some stuff does not even have any… I don’t see how the M1918 should be obsolete when it was conceived with an idea similar to the Fedorov.
And YES I was over exaggerating the comparison with the Fedorov, but saying “Oh the in game description says that the weapon is obsolete so it must be lowered in BR” makes no sense either.
Does the Type 97 has a -25% movement penalty ? No it has -50%. This alone is the best advantage of the BAR, allowing it to act as an assault weapon rather than a goofy lmg.
And What about the other BARs, do we put them at BR2 then ? Also, interesting that you don’t mention the other, almost identical, BAR copy pastas available to the germans and japanese.
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That is true, but the US and British factions were combined during the merger. It does feel very odd to be forced to carry non-American weapons with an American squad.
Very wholesome family moment
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Every stat I listed was from the Fedorov.
It has no bipod, no improved buttstock to help with recoil and no slow fire. DF added semi-auto because they felt bad. It is also limited to machine gunners. Why is it BR III again?
Fedorov, on the other hand, is select fire, limited to assaulters, has lower dispersion, shoots 6.5 (arguably an AR), carries more ammo, and mogs in almost every other stat.
With lower recoil, significantly less dispersion, a 3x scope, faster ADS, and bipods. Bump it up?
You tell me. Does improved aim stability, bipods, slowed full auto mode, and magazine guides belong in BR II?
Why would BARs with pistol grips and bipods belong in BR II? Doesn’t that seem overpowered to you?
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Yeah I already knew thanks… I was talking about the M1918
What’s the difference with the M1918 ? Pistol grip and Bipods? None of them does make any difference in gameplay. Bipods does not work and pistol grip don’t do anything in the game.
Hum, are you aware that ingame description does not have any impact on ingame performance of a weapon ?
Are you aware that Fedorov is like BR5 while M1918 is BR3 ?
I mean at that point I don’t know if you are being serious or just trolling, so I guess I won’t pay attention to this suggestion.
They do affect recoil. That is why the M1918A1 and A2 have less recoil in stats than the M1918 when prone and why FN 1930 has less recoil.
Are you aware that the stats for both BARs have lower recoil than the M1918, just like the description says?
I could say the same about you.
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Before the changes and the addition of BR levels to the game, weapons were assigned to a theater of war and a period. But there were many crying children who came to Enlisted from CoD and BF and these players started crying about the lack of balance in the game. Balance kills realism.
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In terms of equipment vs equipment, yes. However, you can achieve balance through gameplay features like in Red Orchestra 2.
But in the case of the M1918, it is safe to say it is already bad enough to be BR II.
The only thing that makes BARs usable and thus worthy of BR3 is their comparatively “low” movement dispersion for a MG.
If a Fedorov had the exact same dispersion, It would also be worthless compared to BR5 assault rifles that don’t have that restriction.
BAR is very good since US have pretty poor assaulter weapons.
There are not many semi-decent BR3 assaulter weapons. I will gladly take any BARs over them.
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Don’t hate Thompsons, but the nice ones are sadly all locked to BR4.
I think in general many BR4 weapons should move to BR3 while a bunch of BR4 weapons should move to BR5.
The performance jump from BR4 to BR5 is bigger than than the jump from BR1 to BR4.
There are a a bounch of BR1 and BR2 SMGs that perform well enough to deal with BR4 weapons, like MP40, PPS, Lanchester, and even something as basic as a MP34.
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Agreed. There is no need to increase the firepower of BR2 any further.
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My recommendation is to just use the Vickers Berthier, best BR2 MG for running and gunning, sights are a bit difficult at first but you can easily come around to it with some use
Yeah it’s a bit weird mixing the countries together, but eh, it is what it is, make up some story like how the british soldier was the last of his squad and is together with your american squad or smth
I believe that most of the motivation for people wanting to demote BR3 weapons to BR2 comes from the fact that BR3 belongs in the BR5 queue.
It is better to improve the BR system than to lower weapons that are appropriate for BR3 to BR2.
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Counter recommendation, just use the Besal at BR II.
The M1918 is good enough to be BR III? Even with all the disadvantages presented?
Yeah.
The BAR is on the LMG shelf, but as a matter of fact, it’s more like an assault rifle or battle rifle.
It’s not as good as an LMG, but if you’re using it as an assault rifle, it has good performance, BR3 is appropriate.
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