Very complete website about finnish weapons : enough content for a finnish tree ?

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I have found a very very interesting website called « Jaeger Platoon » about everything the finnish ground forces used between 1918 and 1945 while browsing the internet. And trust me, when I say everything, it is NEARLY EVERYTHING : from the usual infantry weapons, to tanks, mortars, shady prototypes I had never heard of, even tools, bayonets, and uniforms. The only things that are actually missing are the smoke grenades and the rifle grenades. And because it is centered around ground forces, you won’t see the planes or boats used by the finnish (but you can still see the naval guns if you feel like it).

I always loved to play the less known weapons of WW2 (that’s probably why I’m a Japan main), and I didn’t think that the finnish had enough weapons to make a viable full tree in game, but when I saw this site, I thought that the finnish had A LOT of domestic designs that are really not well known, and we could really make a finnish tree with everything on this site.

Seriously, the amount of work this guy did is MASSIVE : he’s a finnish guy, so he has access to more information, he quotes all is sources, and there is a shit ton of these (a lot in finnish) and he gives his personal feelings about the weapons when he has the occasion to actually shoot them. This website is a true goldmine for the finnish weapons enjoyers (my favourite part is « Weapons Finnish Army almost had in World War 2 »).

And I don’t think that having a finnish tree ingame is an absurd idea, because Hell Let Loose devs are planning to add this faction in their game, so, who knows about Enlisted, because players are craving for new trees to grind (yes, I am an advocate for british and italian trees, even if the devs are annoyed by these requests).

Here is the link to the website, enjoy : https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/

PS : No, I’m not a finnish guy, so you can’t accuse me of being chauvinist, but damn, I really want to see a finnish tree after visiting this website.

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prob not

imo, minor nations could work if they were combined in a single tree, otherwise we might end up with japan #2 that, as much as i like it, has lot of shit that was never used in combat all for the sake of it being able to compete with other nations

heck, even the more complete nations have shit that was never or barely used for the sake of competition

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Sounds bit complicated, like hungary & fin in same tree ?

Might as well add them as grindable tree to german line, with similar TT as we had back in campaigns.

Could have just locked japan to BR3-4 max.

Exactly, one could even argue the weapons never used or even issued are the meta weapons for certain factions.

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Maybe, but the Suomi is already in the game, and as a tier 5 premium nonetheless, so the last rank wouldn’t be full of weird prototypes like Japan. The finnish tree could even have a proper belt-fed 100 rounds MG before Japan with the L-41 Sampo, lmao. For tier 5 tanks, you could just slap the ISU-152 in it, because they captured some, and for the planes, I guess we could find a few candidates, I havent dived in this subject yet.

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like, i am all for seeing finnish stuff in the game, i am just not sure how it should be implemented but I am not seeing it as a separate tech tree considering that devs dont want to give them to brits and italians

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otherwise someone on russian forum actually made a concept of finnish tech tree a while back, might need to find a link to it tho

inb4 i am misremembering shit

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For the hungarian weapons, I was thinking about introducing them in an italian tree, just like in War Thunder. Hell, they could even add the romanian weapons with it, they will do it in WT with the Osa for the italians. And it wouldn’t be stupid, because italians, hungarians and romanians were on the same side, and they all fought on the eastern front.

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Dunno, I don’t come often on the forum, so I don’t know where it is. And for the british, they could do a Commonwealth tree, with the canadians, australians, south africans and NZ. I am from Normandy, and I can tell you that canadians and british used the same equipment in WW2: the guys who landed on Juno had the exact same gear as the guys who landed on Gold and Sword.

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Sure, but outside of some SS units fins didnt exactly fight anywhere except on theyr own front.

Not that it would make much differency, since we have been on fantasy phase for quite some time now.

But having fins at tunisia due to being merged with italians or at normandy sounds bit weird.

Also, as side note we got rid of campaigns due to split playerbase. Adding minor factions with BR locks & such would probably just bring back the old issue.

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Yes, but I was thinking about the finns having their own tree, and fighting on their own maps, all located in Finland obviously, but fighting the soviets in one game, and fighting the germans in the next game would be pretty unique. On the italian tree subject, the hungarians and romanians also bought some stuff from the italians iirc, so it would make sense to merge these in the italian tree.

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Thank for your post.

I support this idea. Its a shame people are so against new nations in game or any new factions.

My idea has always been:

UK + Commonwealth separate tree

Italy + Other Axis Nations separate tree. As you say, like WT. (Hungarians, Romanians and Finns)

I have no problem with a Finnish tree. Unfortunately as recognised given that the devs wont even make a proper UK-Commonwealth tree or Italian tree I cant see it happening.

However Id strongly welcome more Finnish weapons into the German tech tree as well as proper squads and uniforms.

Its interesting people complaining about Finns fighting at Normandy or whatever given that we already have Volksturm running around everywhere, Australians in the Battle of the Bulge, Italians in Berlin etc. DF said theyd given up on historical accuracy.

Finland would provide a much needed difference to current German VS Soviet campaign.

At the very least I see zero reason why they cant make Finnish maps and add some Finnish squads. Finnish ski troops would be cool with the ability to ski across snow similar to sprinting.

As far as new factions its true many players, certainly myself, would like a new faction.

Ive made a post previously about a France-Poland-Belgium-Netherlands tech tree. It would only go to BR III. Maybe BR IV at a stretch.
Nevertheless the combination of those 4 nations, especially France, Poland and the Netherlands would provide more than enough native tech and many interesting maps.
In fact a F-P-BENE tree would fight in all theatres and alongside both USSR and Allies.

Being from Normandy I assume you would welcome a French tech tree? People complain France and Poland wouldnt work on their own. Fine, just combine them.

The addition of the Dutch means they can fight in the Pacific (Dutch East Indies/Timor) and the Polish in Eastern Europe as well as the Battle for Italy, desert war (also as French) Im not sure if there were Free Polish forces in the Balkan campaigns.

Plus of course early and late war for all of the above.

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Sure, I would love to see a french tree, but I’m not pushing this idea too much right now, because I think the UK and Italy should be the priority. But yeah, mixing the french and the dutch would kind of make sense, they both fought in the battle of Britain and also in Asia against the Japanese: the Dutch in East Indies/Timor, and the French in Indochina.

The uniqueness of the finns is the fact that they were pretty much in their own camp, they never really relied on any of the two camps, and always fought for themselves against soviets or germans.

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If we’re speaking of cosmetics, I doubt it would be much of effort to lock cosmetic volksturms to berlin.

If we’re speaking of guns, well that ship sailed long ago.

If we’re speaking of actual squads such as fins, yeah fins with own voice lines and such do sound bit weird in normandy.

One could argue for that exact reason Japan is separate faction rather than just part of axis.

Would also love to ski thru tunisia.

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I’m just suggesting a finnish tree/faction with their own maps, I’m not asking to see them in Normandy or the Pacific. AFAIK we don’t see the japanese faction in Berlin…

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I get it, but theres a reason why we got rid of most of campaigns.

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Sure, it’s way better since we have the trees and not the campaigns anymore, it was super annoying to grind several times for having the same gun in different campaigns. But they could also do somethning like “soft campaigns”, we could call it that way, where some maps are locked for certains tree tiers: for example, the rank 1 in the US tree could be only played on the japanese maps, because the Springfield as a standard issue rifle or the Reising were only used shortly after the US joined the war, and during the Normandy landings, these weapons had long been replaced by the Garand and the M1 Thompson. That’s just an idea, but it could bring back a bit of historical accuracy in the game.

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I like this idea.

Its also been suggested about early and late war maps.

For example Paris or Warsaw its the same map but in late war the tank hulks are higher rank tanks and the buildings are more damaged (which also means more rubble so different for more experienced players).

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The real question is, who would they fight? Obviously they would fight Russians, but in 44 they switched sides and fought the Germans. Would they just have like, 3 Lapland maps for BR4-5?

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That’s the point: in one game you could fight the soviets, and in the next game you could fight the germans.

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and you would be correct in your thinking.

what does finnish tree actually look like:

  • lots of mosin nagant variants
  • SVT-38, SVT-40, AVS-36, AVT-40
  • bergman smg made in switzerland
  • suomi smg variants as only interesting weapons in finnish TT(and some of them are in the game)
  • mix of soviet and german smg
  • lahti saloranta that is already in the game
  • swedish kg m21
  • madsen, lewis, FN D(there is FN 1930 already in the game and this is minor improvement which probably wont affect any stats), chauchat and chatellerault. last 3 are premium/GO
  • pistols are mostly copies of soviet/german/us TT, with exception of lahti-35
  • for tanks only thing “unique” would be french and british tanks, otherwise we would get captured soviet tanks and pz4j.
  • they had 3 original planes, out of which 1 is fighter with 3 models and other 2 are prototypes.

so finnish TT would just be mostly copy paste of soviet, german and US TT. not to mention they would still be lacking in high BR equipment.

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