US tech tree should be renamed as Western Allies

They majorly contributed to the death count. Didn’t do anything else till we could start beating up Japan.

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Such a elegant and simple solution to make UK an independent faction

Spoken like a true gentleman! The king himself will invite you for high tea.

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I’d rather have them split into US and UK completely

Time for the history lesson

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

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Wouldn have ever guessed if you hadn’t mentioned it.

i am not arguing the involvement of the Chinese or other nations nor their contributions to the Axis defeat only the level of effect, as yet no one has proved to me at least they rank among the UK US USSR

What you do not understand, when Japan was fighting to get Shanghai, the Chinese put up a very tough resistance. That made it less risky to support China, prompting America to do so. In other words, the reason America helped China was because China was worthy of help and America believed that China would put up a good fight.

well that is all they basically had… lots of bodies to throw at enemy. if you check breakdown they had 3-4 million soldiers killed, 5-10 million from starvation and some 7-8 million from direct civilian casualties. they were horribly underequipped.

btw for comparison japanese military casualties:

According to data from Japan’s Ministry of Health and Welfare, 3.1 million people were lost in the war, of which 2.3 million were military personnel. Many researchers point out that more than half of the military personnel deaths were due to starvation, or disease deaths mainly caused by malnutrition.

Especially after 1944, the combat situation of the Japanese army was characterized by the huge amount of incomplete starvation caused by the interruption of supply and the lack of locally available food. In addition to starvation deaths caused by complete starvation, malnutrition caused by incomplete starvation depleted physical strength and reduced resistance to disease, resulting in a large number of deaths from malaria, amoebic dysentery, dengue fever, and so on, which especially widespread in tropical regions.

On the Chinese mainland, there were 455,700 war dead since the start of the Sino-Japanese War. According to the study by Prof. Akira Fujiwara, at Hitotsubashi University, half of them died of diseases such like malaria, dysentery, and beriberi caused by malnutrition, or died of starvation. In the Philippines, by the way, the number is 500,000, and it is estimates that 80% of these deaths were due to starvation or diseases malnutrition-related. In the Philippines, the U.S. military also quickly fell into a state of starvation in the early stages of the war.

so biggest major powers to ww2 were disease and starvation.

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Fun fact;
Japan garrisoned more soldiers in manchuria than whole pacific front during ww2.

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Yes and the army was the strongest arm of Japan During WW2, not at all third after the Navy and The Air force, because Japan is not an isolated island that could have done nothing without the above 2, Just like the UK who’s most important service in defeating Germany was not the Air force or navy but the army.

For sure, these especially suck when fighting in the jungle. WW2 conditions in the Pacific were poor for both sides, even US had suffered high casualties to diseases.

That article is adorable! only losing on the Chinese side until the Russians and Americans decide to help them out. Hmm…

Worthy of help does not equal major contributor, you’ve only helped my point that China needed help, and wasn’t succeeding till the USSR and US stepped in. Putting up a good fight but still losing is, surprisingly, still losing.

That is a fun fact, probably had to do with the fact that that was Japan’s largest landmass they were occupying. Or maybe it had to do with the population of Chinese there.

Wrong
Manchuria was not populous as other parts of china and manchuko vassal state was the most loyaly and compact vassal of japan.
Main reason was soviets.
Some historians claim that main reason japan surrendered to us but not soviets was fear of communism, not atomic bombs.
Japanese leaders really freaked out when soviets invaded manchuria, more than bombs
Soviets captured more japanese troops within 2 weeks than entire pacifix front from 41 to 45 by americans

yes the sinking of most of their navy and shooting down most of their air force not important, how afraid of the USSR would Japan be if their navy was intact. how exactly the USSR would invade Japan

Us blockaded japan. Japanese navy was nothing but sunken steel in august 1945.
They had nothing to counter any land invasion.
Soviets were planning an invasion for hokkaido.
Their merchant fleet was utterly destroyed by us submarines at the time.
Situation was so desperate that main reason why they lanched operation ichi-go is capturing southern china’s railroads, linking them with northern part until the korea so they could finally send resources from se asia to mainland japan by the land. They were unable to use sea route
Different than us, stalin never cared about humanitarian situation or loses.
Only thing that was holding us was possible astronomic casuality rates like okinawa.

Thats my point an isolated army surrendering to the USSR was not war ending, also it was a question who did more to defeat Japan as it seemed you were implying the USSR did more and was seen by Japan was a bigger threat,

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