M2 Carbine Full Auto Machine Gun USGI 30 Caliber - M1 - YouTube
STG44 full auto - YouTube
KIRSTI SHOOTS B-A-R (FULL-AUTO) - YouTube
Shooting the FG42: The Hype is Real - YouTube
After watching these videos, I’d like to roll back my suggested fix:
Carbines still recoil too hard, reduce vertical recoil from 50 to 45, call it good.
Stg44 doesn’t recoil hard enough. Increase vertical recoil from 26 to 35 and horizontal from 7 to 12.
Fg42 post nerf recoils too hard. Vertical recoil to 40 and horizontal to 15, only let assaulters or gunners have it to reduce spam. It’s not OP because of what it is or how it works, it’s OP because you can stuff 9 of them in a squad.
BAR doesn’t recoil hard enough. It should be basically uncontrollable standing. Increase vertical recoil
from 34 to 50 and horizontal from 15 to 25, unless mounted on bipod. That way, it can still be used in semi auto (a1) or auto slow (a2) while moving around, auto on bipod or inside buildings.
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the fg42 should have more recoil than a bar not less like your saying its fire rate was slow compared to the fg42 which means lower recoil
That’s nonsense. It means less recoil per shot, and less compound recoil in full auto. Watch the vids, in fact, here’s another:
FG-42 vs BAR in the 2 Gun Action Challenge Match - YouTube
The FG42 is, IRL, in every way a more controllable weapon than the BAR. Full Stop, plenty of evidence exists and has been provided, plenty of reasons exist and have been given here and elsewhere.
as u can see in video the bar and fg42 had almost the same recoil not less not more so yes the bar would be a good counter the fg42
If they were both in the same category, but they’re not.
Move FG42 to Gunners. Problem solved.
We’ve already hashed this out, it’s pretty plain that you and I don’t agree on the solution.
But, since you’re here, what are your thoughts on US Carbine recoil?
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if fg42 were to be moved to gunner, where would you like them in campaign?
I don’t think it matters, honestly, since it’s just a weapon unlock they can stay where they are.
FWIW, I don’t care where they go, as long as they’re off troopers. Being able to stack as many as 9 FG42s is ridiculous from both gameplay and historical standpoints. In game, it’s a good gun, it’s really good. There’s others as good, but none of them are infantry rifle choices. Historically, there were only ever ~7000 made, and all of them were issued to paratroopers, and only one per troop section.
Move em to gunners, and you force a choice between fg42 or MG34 or 42. Move em to Assault, force a choice between FG42 and Mp43. Either reduces the maximum number in a squad to up to 4, if you run an assaulter in your sniper squad, or three if the FG is a machine gun choice.
That means You get infantry squads with 7 G43 or whatever, and a choice between FG, MG42, and MP43. Asaulter squads might have 3 stg/3fg, and 1 mg42. Mg squads get 3mg/3fg, one Stg. Balance.
There just isn’t a weapon the allies can give to troopers than competes with the FG, and that’s a problem.
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Although, I guess I’d accept adding the Johnson LMG as a troops choice for allies and just letting everyone go nuts. Put it in the campaign somewhere around level 23 or so, where the FG sits, or give it to that engineer squad and move the M2 carbine to just a weapon unlock somewhere.
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moving fg42 into gunner class would be a hard nerf for FG42. MG34/42 is way better than FG42 (more ammo and faster). They’ll be a better breda mod 30 still but as you know all gunner class weapon is subjected to bullet-dispersion-while-moving effect. They’ll be getting 100 round by default tho, which is nice. And what about fg42 in sniper class?
moving fg42 into assaulter class actually would be a buff i guess. They’ll be getting more ammo (more than 80 by Darkflow ammo rules). but i would be broken and more people would hate it.
also asking fg42 nerf is basically asking for m2 carbine nerf.
M2 carbine isn’t even treated as a semi auto.
when you spawn with fg42, fg42 goes by semi first. but when you do with m2 carbine, m2 carbine already in auto mode. And m2 carbine have 90 rounds in total right? CMIIW, isn’t it a bit much for a semi? move them to assaulter class too then
Do you even play Germany?
I thought we were supposed to only play one side in one campaign?
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most people seem to do it that way.
I personally think Full Autos should be locked to specialists M2 to Assaulters Fg42 to Assaulter problem is solve that way you can never have more then 4 per unit of each. Of course you can still stack assaulter squads but that’s an easy fix too you make so you can’t have 2 of the same type of unit.
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my problem with the Fg42 is not how good it is its how many people are allowed to have it.
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We already hate it.
A current Axis assault squad on normandy can stack 3x Mp43(STG), 2x FG42, 1xMg42. That’s not balanced, and there’s not argument to say that it is.
The best the allies can do for assaulters? 3x M1 Thompson, 2x M2 Carbine, 1x 1918A2.
Sniper FG42 is, IRL, Just the same gun with a scope attached. They weren’t issued to snipers. The only reason snipers get them is because wE cAN’t Let AnyONe ElSe USe sCopEs.
I really don’t care what they do with the FG42, as long as the Trooper class looses it. Put it on assualters, put in on gunners, remove it from the game entirely. I don’t care if putting it on gunners would be a hard nerf, it needs a hard nerf, and it was designed as a lightweight weapon they could give to paratroopers that would more or less do what the mg34 did.
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Not in Normandy, but I don’t see how that’s remotely relevant.
- doesnt see how being an (x) or (y) faction main while crying about nerfing the opposition would be relevant.
hmmmmmm definitely an argument being had in good faith.
I’d be okay with M2 going to assaulters, or being removed completely. It’s only in the campaign at all in a half-assed attempt to give us something to match the FG, which the M2 doesn’t, and it wasn’t present for normandy and even field converted M2 carbines weren’t present on the battlefield until the western allies’ push into germany proper.
I’m not out here asking for allies to be OP. I’m asking for balance, and right now, in normandy, there isn’t.
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If you weren’t a known troll, I might engage with that. In the mean time, do some more reading, you might find that I’m not nearly as biased as you suggest.
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