Updated Japan tree suggestions topic

FOR MY SOURCES
I used different websites, the most well-known being Wikipedia but in japanese, then you just have to use google translate on the page, and you have a lot of informations that the english Wikipedia doesn’t have.

I also used Gun Wiki: Gun Wiki | Fandom for most of the pistols.

Of course, there is Forgotten Weapons: Forgotten Weapons with the website of Rock Island Auction for some of the guns that Gun Jesus showcased.

There is also Military History Wiki: Military Wiki | Fandom

But also some not well-known website, like Lone Sentry, where I found pics of the mortar Type 3 and the spigot grenade launchers: Japanese – Catalog of Enemy Ordnance

I also found another link of this Lone Sentry with more pics of the grenade launchers a few minutes ago, enjoy: 1. Pistols, Revolvers, and Rifles | Section II: Infantry Weapons | Chapter IX: Weapons | TM-E 30-480: Handbook on Japanese Military Forces, Technical Manual, U.S. War Department, October 1, 1944 (Lone Sentry)

Link of the Type 99 for paratroopers: Takedown Guns: Freaky Weird, Crazy Cool - Small Arms Review
Found some info about it here as well: Type 96, Type 99 - Modern Firearms

Pics of the Type 92 (Lewis copy): Type 92 Ground Model – The Armory
Other pics on the same website as the Type 99 paratroopers: Lewis - Modern Firearms

And finally, the very cool drawings of the spigot grenade launchers were found here, there are other very detailed drawings as well: https://weaponsandwarfare.com/japanese-small-arms/

I also have some books on the subject, but of course there are no links.

This new Lone Sentry link is a goldmine too, I found some interesting stuff there. Here you can clearly see the differences between the Type 38 rifle, short rifle and carbine:
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More pics of the spigot grenade launchers:
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Link just in case: 1. Pistols, Revolvers, and Rifles | Section II: Infantry Weapons | Chapter IX: Weapons | TM-E 30-480: Handbook on Japanese Military Forces, Technical Manual, U.S. War Department, October 1, 1944 (Lone Sentry)

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Ah, and I almost forgot the links to the 3D models of the Type 4 experimental tank MG and the experimental 13.2mm AT rifle:
MG: https://assets.clip-studio.com/ja-jp/detail?id=1940448
AT Rifle: https://assets.clip-studio.com/ja-jp/detail?id=2005986

What I did is: I went to wikipedia in japanese, translated the page in english and went to the classification table at the end of any japanese WW2 weapon page, where you see all the other links to the other japanese weapons of WW2, then I went to the articles, and copy pasted the title (the name of the weapons in this case) of the pages in japanese language, and found the results in the pictures section of google.
Here are the wikipedia links in japanese:
MG: 試製四式車載重機関銃 - Wikipedia
AT Rifle: 十三粍手動銃 - Wikipedia

Hmm Nice I found somthing,too though it is not good for TT since it would cause a red revoulotion but imma say it Japanese had captured AVS-36s and AF(Avtomat Federov)

"December 22, 1938. Order signed by Rikyu Hiroshi, Army Supply Adjutant (at Air Army Headquarters) to the Technical Supply Department. “Conduct a general inspection, description, measurements and drawings, and operating diagrams of the mechanisms of the received sample of automatic rifle. Received on December 8, 1938 from the Department of Registration and Collection of Captured Weapons in a set: automatic rifle “Fuedorofu” type 1925 (フェドロフ 1925式), signal pistol (flare gun), automatic pistol type “Korofuin”, pistol type “Nagant””. Automatic rifle (as it is written) “Fuedorofu” has damage.
Also there was a testing result in this entry under the name “Sakarōfu” which is Simonov in Japanese

From Army Department Main Records Entery No: 7576

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LOL, it looks very much like they just confused the 1930 Degtyarev semi-automatic rifle with the Fedorov assault rifle.


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Don’t think so there is a digram for federov rifle and looks very federov like

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Beside these my research let me to this apparently there was an Idea to turn type 96 Anti-aircraft cannon to AT gun


It is single shot though this was just an idea and it was dismissed since they concluded that this thing would cause damage to shooter .

P.S. of course there is bayonet its not like this thing gonna be heavy and not allow you to charge

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It would be useful to know if it was ever built, because I’m really not into paper guns. It would be even better if there was a pic of it.
For the 13.2mm AT rifle, the wikipedia article in japanese says that it was tested and performed well, but the development was stopped because the cartridge was considered as not powerful enough. The only “pics” I have found are the ones on the japanese 3D models website, that’s why I said that I am not sure if these “pics” are legit or not.

The type 96 AT gun wasnt made there is just the paper like I said it was dismissed it was considered too dangerous for shooter Imma do some more research for interesting things since Im tired now gonna see what I can find tomorrow

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About foreign weapons, I am not really against it, some are already in the tree after all, like the KE7 and the chinese-bought SIG Bergmann, but I would like these weapons to have at least seen some use in the japanese armed forces, just like the ZB26 for example, which was unofficially adopted. The simple “test weapons” like you have suggested are a bit too much in my opinion, because every nation in the world has always tested the weapons made by the other nations, and if we follow that logic, all the nations could pretty much have all the weapons made during WW2.
So I would still prefer unique japanese prototypes, to keep the tree unique, or foreign weapons which were “unofficially adopted”.

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what about export/Import variants like export/import variants of SMGs and Rifles will those work?

Maybe, it depends. Were they bought to equip some japanese units, like the S1-100 or the SIG Bergmann ? Or did they just buy 2 or 3 units to just test them and never use them again after that ? I think we should stay with the foreign weapons used by some military units, but that’s just my opinion.

Thats not why the sights are shifted. They are shifted because its a side tilting bolt action.

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I edited a few posts: slightly modified the Type Hei (late) and Type Su/Type Be suggestions for more clarity, added a mortars illustration, and added links to other topics in my first post.

Do you all prefer to add the missing suggestions of other topics here ? Or are you fine with just links to other topics ?

Btw, I found another goldmine about japanese grenades/rifle grenades/mines here: TM 9-1985-4; Inhaltsverzeichnis
I’ll study more this link later, I’m too tired now. :sweat_smile:

Edited the Rocket launchers/antitank rifles and rifle grenades/grenade launchers post with more content and adjustments for more clarity.
I also edited the Mortars part for more clarity.

Finished to edit all the suggestion posts for more clarity, and added pictures for scoped MGs.
Added a pic of another Type 38 short rifle.
Re-edit: I removed my first picture of this rifle, because I could only find the version I removed on one website (and I don’t like to post things if I am not too sure about these), so the new pics I added show at least the most common version of the short rifle if there were more than one version of it.
Should I add the other prototypes of SMGs and MGs, and the old Murata/Arisaka variants that are on the other suggestion topics ?

So, it seems that Profile - SzepWaxweiler - Enlisted is very interested in foreign weapons used by the japanese, so I thought that this could be a good idea to show some pictures of my encyclopedia of weapons called “Encyclopédie de l’armement mondial” by Jean Huon, and it is a 7 tomes collection about every weapon used by all countries in the world. The author began to publish these books in 2012 iirc, so some informations might not be up to date, but it is a VERY complete collection. Here is the book:


As you can see, this is the 5th volume:

I will show you the pictures of the lists of foreign weapons used by the japanese. I’m on mobile, so this might not be perfect. This book must be read in columns: each page has 2 columns, you read the left column, and you read the right column after it. It is in french, so we are not interested in the sections where it says “après 1945” or “depuis 1945”, which are post-WW2, obviously.

Here are the revolvers:


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I will also show some pictures that I find interesting, here is another pic of the Hino Komuro pistol:

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Here are the pistols:

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