Also, a small post for Naohmcete, because he wanted to find more informations about the bikes in this picture:
One of the websites in the sources that I quoted describes the bikes like this:
“Harley JD 1200cc motorcycle with sidecar equipped with Type 3 heavy machine gun (Manchurian Incident)”
I don’t know if it is an exact information, but I know that Naohmcete wanted to find more informations about this pic.
The website also shows this “thing”:
Which is described as “Shishido Manufacturing “SSD off-road vehicle” (late model) 1933?”
I have updated my list of semi-auto rifles with new pictures and new variants of the existing rifles, and I have also added the Kokura Arsenal rifle and the Hino Komuro M1897 in this list. I have removed my suggestion of a Type Hei late rifle in 7.7mm because the sources stating that fact are very unclear. I have also updated the list of sniper rifles by adding the Kokura Arsenal rifle in the list of rifles with a rail on the side for mounting a scope.
I call these guns that way for the sake of simplification, but basically these guns are the different prototype SMGs that lead to the Type 100 SMG that we all know. There aren’t much differences between them, apart from the fire rate. They were all chambered in 8mm Nambu, and all had a 30 round mag. They could be good additions as battlepass/event/premium squad weapons, because I don’t think they would bring much to the regular tree, but that’s just my opinion.
Model 3 prototype
The first prototype of what would become the Type 100 SMG later. It had a rate of fire of 530 rpm.
Model 3 A
Not much visual differences with the previous weapon, the only big difference is the rate of fire, which was increased to 755 rpm. The front sight was also moved at the end of the barrel.
Model 3 B
Basically the finished product, there aren’t much differences between this gun and the regular Type 100 SMG. It retained the 755 rpm, but the rate of fire was lowered to 700 rpm for the production of the Type 100, making the rate of fire of the Type 100 early ingame incorrect.
Important notes:
-The rate of fire of the Type 100 early ingame is incorrect, it should be 700 rpm, thanks to the informations of Killerwolf1024.
-Some Type 100 were fitted with a bipod, not all of them, maybe the devs could update the Type 100 early model to include it ? Or make it a new weapon while making weapons with bipods better while mounted on the ground/on a wall ?
Pictures
From top to bottom: Model 3 prototype, Model 3 A, Model 3 B.
From top to bottom: Model 3 prototype, Model 3 B Model 3 A.
Type 100 early with bipod.
Rate of fire for each gun
Huge thanks to DELAVR for his pictures and informations. And also, go check out the topic of Killerwolf1024 for all the informations about the Type 100 early rate of fire, with all the sources needed to back up his claims, right here: Type 100 early correct rate of fire
This post will have the same principle as the previous one about the Type 100 SMG prototypes: I will suggest prototypes of LMGs that would be good additions as battlepass/event/premium squad weapons, because they would be very similar to the Type 11 we already have ingame.
Here is a list of all the LMG prototypes that lead to the adoption of the Type 11 MG:
For each suggestion, I will designate which one I am talking about in this list. I am not 100% sure, so feel free to point out any mistake that I could make.
For the stats of the weapons, unless I say otherwise, and because I don’t want to repeat myself, they all have a rate of fire of 500 rounds per minute, were all chambered in 6.5mm, and were all fed by a 30 round feed strip. It is because the Type 11 LMG was basically a lighter version of the Type 3 MG.
Mk. A/B/C Experimental LMGs
The second of the list, there seems to be three variants of this one, but I don’t know which one is the A, B or C. There are only minor differences between these three it seems.
I don’t know whether it is the fourth or the fifth on the list, but the only big difference between them is the weight: the fifth is 1kg lighter than the fourth, so it wouldn’t make a big difference if it is implemented in the game. You can see the difference with the Mk A/B/C on the buttstock and the barrel: on this one, the stock looks more like the one of the regular Type 11, and the barrel is shorter.
Very likely the sixth one on the list, because no other experimental LMG based on the Type 3 MG has a Lewis-type rotating magazine on top of the receiver. And because this one has a Lewis-type mag, it might have a 47 round capacity magazine, but it is not clearly specified. I included this prototype in this list, because I think that the Type 92 LMG should be in the regular tree first, the only big difference between this experimental LMG and the Type 92 is the rate of fire: the experimental one keeps the 500 rpm (as I said at the beginning of this post), but the Type 92 has a 600 rpm rate of fire.
Picture:
Type 11 LMG with experimental box magazine
The last suggestion of this post. This weapon is not in the list, because it is a regular Type 11 LMG with an experimental 35 round magazine that was developed in 1928, so after the official adoption of the Type 11 LMG, which is the eighth and final weapon on the list by the way, so you can understand why this suggestion is not on the list at the beginning of this post.
Picture:
As always, huge thanks to DELAVR and aizenns for their pics, and Killerwolf1024 for his list with the translation.
Go check their topics/posts that I linked in the first post of this topic.
Thanks. I wasn’t sure about Bo (E) because I had only seen this designation once, and could not remember where it was, so I chose to not include it because I wasn’t sure. Seems it was legit after all.
I have edited my posts about bolt-action rifles, SMGs, LMGs, and AT weapons. I have added new suggestions and pictures for some guns I already suggested. Huge thanks to DELAVR for his pictures of the experimental Muratas loaded via stripper clips. I took some suggestions of already existing topics and found some pics on the internet too. The topics/posts in question are mentioned in my first post, but they were made by DELAVR, Killerwolf1024, aizenns, go check their topics/posts!
I found the pics about the “normal” Muratas on this website, go check it out, it is the most complete website about these rifles that I have found ! Link: https://www.militaryrifles.com/japan/murata22
As always, your likes give more visibility to these posts, so, thanks in advance !
During the Second Sino-Japanese War, the chinese used the ZB-26 against the japanese, which were equipped with the Type 11 MG. The ZB-26 proved to be very superior to the Type 11, and it was then unofficially adopted by the japanese under the semi-official name “Type 7.99 light machine gun” when the japanese captured the guns and also the factories producing these guns in China. The stats of these guns would obviously be the same as the ZB-26 already ingame.
Picture of the ZB-26 used by the japanese with a 20 round mag:
And with a 30 round mag:
Without the mag:
Picture of the ZB-26 with a magazine likely made of two 20 round mags welded together (30 or 40 rounds capacity ? I have no idea):
When the japanese captured the chinese factories producing the ZB-26, the japanse continued the production of these guns, and some of these were produced for the 6.5mm japanese cartridge. It used a similar, but not identical mag to the Type 96 MG.
Differences between the mags of the 6.5mm ZB-26 (left) and the Type 96 (right):
Model A and Model B Experimental Machine Guns
The prototypes of what would become the Type 96 LMG: The Model A was made by Nambu and the Model B was made by Kokura. The Model A won the competition and became the Type 96 MG. The Model B lost, but this gun would later become the Type 97 Tank MG. The Model B was basically a copy of the ZB-26 in 6.5mm.
Picture of the Model A (future Type 96):
Another Model A (future Type 96), but with a thicker barrel:
Picture of the Model B (the one which lost the competition, but would later serve as the basis for the Type 97 Tank MG):
Pictures of the early model of the Type 97 Tank MG, with a curved mag and a weird looking buttstock:
Experimental Type 1 Light Machine Gun (see the different models below):
These prototypes were made as improvements to the Type 99 Machine Gun, they were all chambered in 7.7mm, and all had a capacity of 30 rounds. Different prototypes were made by different manufacturers, and they all served as prototypes for the Type 3 Light Machine Gun that would come efter that.
-Experimental Type 1 Light Machine Gun Model 1
Made by Nambu, it was a simpler Type 99 LMG with a higher rate of fire (couldn’t find any data about the rate of fire) :
Picture of the Model 1 A:
Picture of the Model 1 B:
Note: I struggle to find any differences between these two, so the differences might be in the internal parts, let me know if you have more informations.
-Experimental Type 1 Light Machine Gun Model 2
Made by Tokyo Gas Electric, it was made to use the feed strips of the Type 92 Heavy Machine Gun, and it could also use the same bullets. Otherwise the rate of fire is the same as the Type 99 LMG. The stock was also displaced to better withstand the impact of rapid fire. Just like for the Model 1, there are two models: a Model 2 A and a Model 2 B: apparently the main difference between the A and B model is the fact that the Model 2 B had rear legs fitted to the buttstock, while the Model 2 A did not have these rear legs.
Picture of the Model 2 A:
Picture of the Model 2 B (we can’t see the entirety of the buttstock, so we can’t confirm the presence of the rear legs) :
-Experimental Type 1 Light Machine Gun Model 3
Made by Nagoya Army Arsenal. It was another simplification of the Type 99 LMG using straight mags in the same style of the ZB-26 LMG, which were easier to manufacture. Given the size of the mags, I guess it had a 30 round capacity. It retained the same shape of buttstock as the Model 2.
Picture of the model with Technical HQ’s bipod design:
Picture of the model with Nagoya Arsenal’s bipod design:
Experimental Type 3 Light Machine Gun
Basically the synthesis of the Type 99 LMG and all the models of the Experimental Type 1 LMG. It could also fill the roles of the Type 92 and Type 1 HMGs, so it could be considered as a GPMG. It used the same feed strips as the Type 92 HMG, and it could also use the same bullets.
Picture:
That’s it for today !
As always, huge thanks to DELAVR and aizenns for their pics and informations, go check their topics mentioned in the first post of this topic.
I also used the articles about these LMGs on wikipedia in japanese:
As always, your likes give more visibility to these posts and this topic, so more chances for the devs to see all these suggestions !
Hey, it’s been a long time, innit ?
A small post to show you clearer pictures of the Experimental Type 1 Light Machine Gun Model 2 that were shared by DELAVR on this topic:
Here is a pic of the Model 2 A:
Here is a pic of the Model 2 B:
As always, thanks to him.
I have been absent for some time, and I didn’t feel the urge to post more things, because the last category of infantry weapons that I have to cover is the category of “Meme weapons/Shotguns”. It includes pretty much only the single shot last ditch weapons and the single shot/two shot shotguns used by the japanese, so these aren’t some “game breaking weapons”. The only other categories that are left after that would be the trucks and the armored cars/halftracks categories. That makes a total of three posts in total that are left for me to do. After these posts are made, well, maybe I’ll do tanks and planes after that, maybe not, I don’t know. But I still wanted to post this today to show that I’m not completely dead, and that I still have this topic in the back of my mind !
After the single-shot Murata rifles were retired and replaced with the Arisaka rifles, the Muratas were converted in hunting rifles in a VERY wide range of caliber: 4, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28, 30, 36, 40 gauge shells, and also in 7.6 mm. These hunting rifles were used by the japanese military at the end of the war as last-dich weapons.
But also, not all Murata shotguns were made from military rifles, some shotguns were produced from scratch in factories. Wikipedia in japanese sums up these Murata shotguns in 5 different “categories”: There are five main types of formats: 1. Military Murata rifles modified to 28/30/36 calibers 2. It was originally produced as an 8-40 caliber shotgun for civilian use by Murata Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (not related to Murata Manufacturing Co.), which was founded by Tsuneyoshi Murata . It follows the structure of the military Murata rifle. 3. Licensed production by private gunsmiths and factories 4. A matchlock gun that has been converted to a breech-loading gun by retrofitting the end of the barrel with a Murata bolt. 5. Western-style rifles introduced to the Army before the Murata rifle of the 13th year were modified with a Murata bolt and later sold off.
Here are the calibers (left column, in the middle column are the lengths of the short bullet to the left and the long bullet on the right, and the price for 10 bullets is in the right column):
The shotgun in itself, you can find more pics on the internet without any problem (note: I don’t know in which “categories” the rifles in the 2 following pics belong):
A Murata shotgun made by Yokohama Kanamaru Gun Shop, so probably a rifle that can be considered as one of those in “category 3”:
A Murata commercial shotgun manufactured for sporting purposes, so probably a rifle that can be considered as one of those in “category 2” or “category 3” either:
Japanese signal pistol shotguns
Towards the end of the war, the japanese were trying to make as much weapons as quickly as possible, so simple flare pistols were made to be able to fire 12 gauge rounds. Two models exist: the Type 4 (double shot) and the Type 5 (single shot). When the war ended, only a few hundreds of these weapons had been made.
Japanese double barreled hunting shotgun with bayonet lug
Obviously these rifles were used by either the military or the police (or both) towards the end of the war. These weapons, mostly shotguns, had been given by hunters to the military for a price of 30 yen per weapon, and the hunting shotguns had been modified to be equipped with a bayonet lug to fit a regular Type 30 bayonet. I don’t know about the caliber though, probably 12 gauge ?
Last-ditch single-shot weapons: bullets and matchlocks
Towards the end of the war, Japan was preparing to be invaded, so last-ditch single shot-weapons were made: very simple rifles, carbines and pistols which were all single-shot, and some were even matchlocks!
Several designs existed: a 7.7mm rifle, 8mm Nambu carbines, and a matchlock rifle and pistol.
The 7.7mm rifle, meant to be used by the army:
The 8mm Nambu carbines, meant to be used by reservists:
And the matchlock rifle and pistol, meant to be used by the “Citizen Volunteer Combat Corps”:
Clearer picture:
Another design (on the top of the picture, left and right, obviously):
“Bougainville” improvised grenade launcher
This improvided grenade launcher was created by Captain Nomura by mounting a Type 89 grenade discharger (50mm grenades) on a Type 38 Arisaka rifle (6.5mm cartridge), although one made with a Type 99 Arisaka (7.7mm cartridge) is known to exist. It doesn’t have any official name, but the australians captured seven of these on Bougainville Island in July 1945, hence the unofficial name derived from the island’s name.
Drawing and history in the book given by Naohmcete at page 199:
I also used the topics that I mentioned in my top post. Feel free to go check them out ! As always, thanks to all the people who gave me all these informations, especially Naohmcete and DELAVR.
Feel free to leave your thoughts below or liking this post to make it more visible to the devs !
Here you can see the evolution of the Nambu pistols side by side, which is pretty interesting.
The Type 14:
And the Type 94:
Also, when I was browsing in the japanese wikipedia, I saw that the japanese had made a “No. 1 flamethrower”, and a “No. 2 flamethrower”, but sadly there were no articles there, but I found infos and pics of those on the second website I mentioned !
Really, this website is a true goldmine, if I understand correctly, the guy who made the site also wrote a book. You can find a lot of cool stuff there, including a lot of body armor types made by Japan !
And I am sure that you will all love the section “A tour of the military world with a maid” !
Just translate the page in your settings for a better navigation.
Note: at first I wanted to include the training rifles and machine guns in the weird guns category, but I didn’t do it because I learned that these weapons were made to only shoot blank cartridges, some were even only capable of shooting cardboard bullets, and if you shot a real bullet with these, then these “weapons” would very likely explode, so I chose to not include them.
So, now I have added all the firearms that I wanted to suggest. The next posts will be about trucks/halftracks/APCs/armoured cars and trucks, and after that, I don’t really know yet. I might do the tanks after that, because there are far less japanese tanks than japanese planes, so I’m not in a hurry to make an aircraft section.
After that, I am thinking about maybe doing a new topic about all the AA guns I could find, maybe that would be an “artillery” topic where I could also add AT guns ? I don’t know yet.
Feel free to suggest your ideas of new topics !
My bad, I realized I haven’t done the single-shot Murata rifles yet.
I will do this post before the APCs post then. Also, it seems that I can’t edit my older posts anymore, probably because they are too old ?
Anyway, in the meantime, here is a drawing of the Kuwabara revolver that I found on the website where I found the early japanese flamethrowers:
Link here: àº|e
I have added more informations and pictures to the Murata shotgun suggestion. Also, after the Murata rifles post that I plan to make, and before my APCs posts, I plan to do a post about the japanese recoilless guns, because they can be a good equivalent to the Ampulomets, and they do not really fit in the artillery category.
This is the predecessor of the Arisaka rifle, and the very first rifle manufactured by modern Japan, there is no japanese-made rifle before that, because the japanese used foreign rifles before making the Murata. These rifles and carbines are all single-shot, and using the 11x60R cartridge. These rifles, or at least the ones that the military still had in their stocks that hadn’t been sold and converted into hunting rifles for civilians, were brought back in service near the end of the war as last-ditch weapons. I think it can be a good suggestion, because we already have the Berdan II ingame, which is pretty much the russian equivalent of the Murata rifle.
Type 13 Murata rifle
The very first one, as I said above. It was adopted by the japanese in 1880, replacing the variety of foreign-made rifles used by the military, like the french Chassepot or the turkish Peabody-Martini. Production of the Murata was slow at first, so Japan also purchased other foreign rifles to equip its forces to not have to wait for enough Murata rifles to be produced. These rifles were austrian Wanzls, belgian Albini-Braendlins, or american Rolling-Block and Remington-Lee bolt-action repeaters, and also other rifles. The Murata itself is based on the french Gras and the dutch Beaumont.
Here are pics of the rifle:
And here pics of its bayonet:
Type 16 Murata carbine
A shortened version of the Type 13 rifle made for cavalry. There aren’t much pictures of it, but there is one of it (allegedly) in the book that I took pictures of and have shown in my previous posts. This carbine DID NOT have a bayonet lug. It is a bit of a weird situation, because, japanese wikipedia and the other source I used say that these carbines are only mentioned in american documents, and no pics of it exist, japanese wikipedia even says that there might have been a confusion, but the other source say that there might be japanese documents mentioning it, but the production quantities were probably very low. It’s all very confusing.
But anyway, here is the alleged pic of my book:
Type 18 Murata rifle
An improved version of the Type 13 rifle with minor improvements to correct its flaws. Note: there was apparently a Type 17 made between these two rifles, but like before, it was a small production, and I couldn’t find pics of this “intermediate” version between the Type 13 and Type 18.
Here are pics of the rifle:
And here pics of its bayonet:
Type 18 Murata carbine
A shortened version of the Type 18 rifle made for cavalry. It did not have a bayonet lug.
Here is a pic of the carbine:
You must note that I have shown the different bayonet of the different variants of the Murata because the bayonets WERE APPARENTLY NOT INTERCHANGEABLE between the different variants of the Murata rifle.
Here are my sources:
And of course there is the picture of my book shown above.
