That doesn’t take away the fact that 88 will blow them away.I remind you that they were a group of 6 tigers with Volksgrenadiers and half-tracks
yes but how long will it take and that is not five shermans of all stock, that is maybe 3-4 stock with one or two 76 sherman fireflies, sherman twos, jumbos and such being in the mix. and every time they respawn five more tanks so yeah no one wants history.
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The Volksgrenadiers were equipped with MG42, STG44, Panzerfaust is the 60,100,150 variant and the Panzerschreck 54.54/1,AT Guns Like the 75mm Pak 40 And I also forgot to mention that they are accompanied by Medium tanks Panther And Panzer IV
please tell me those sources, cause majority of sources write between 900-1500 depending on bolt and ammo. most often cited rof for it is 1200rpm and that is not slowest technically possible fire rate.
US army tested mg42 and couldnt get it past 1200rpm.
here is entry from small arms of the world.
btw zastava m53(yugoslav version of mg42) had rof ~950rpm. it was made with original german tooling captured by soviets and it was nearly identical to mg42 with difference of stiffer recoil spring, wooden stock instead of plastic one and slightly longer bipod.
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Why the hell would a faction’s opinion of an enemy weapon that outperforms their MGs in firepower have any weight?, there is still a video demonstrating and trying to belittle the high rate of fire of the MG34 and MG42 In order not to frighten the soldiers during the Normandy landing ,where in said video it far exceeds the cadence according to your criteria Where the MG42 far surpasses the Browning M1916 and the MG34
so people are still using it as propaganda in literature even after ww2? even though there were thousands of mg42 in wild and they could easily check if they were lying or not?
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The book has more weight “Die deutsche Maschinengewehr 42” From the author Friedrich Herrmann Which is based on his book with the Manual “HDv 181/7 - Untersuchung und Instandsetzung des Infanteriegerätes, Teil 7 - Waffentechnisches Handbuch für MG42”
Where the Cadence is from 1200 to 1500 with the most recent and advanced versions with the passage of the conflict
this is source from german wiki on mg42
think that you dont know what “up to” actually means. my car can go up to 200kmh, but i am not driving it at that speed normally, unless i am on german autobahn.
btw more sources
let me once again quote you this:
it was mentioned that they had sources that mentioned 1500rpm, but didnt manage to get any mg42 to work above 1200rpm when testing.
do you really think that 1500 rpm mg is way scarier than 1200rpm mg? when effective rpm for both mg34 and mg42 is ~150rpm. only thing that they gained with increased rof is better shot groupings, while effectively shooting same amount of rounds at enemy.
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well pointed out. most people posting here dont even spend 1 hour researching a topic before forming an opinion.
i explained in a recent video the details of the MG42s different versions fire rates and its natural fire rate of roughly 1500 had to be reduced with different fire pins to go down to 1200.
fire rates under 1200 usually include barrel changes or extremely special circumstances which wouldnt have happened irl.
so every english source on this is wrong and only 1 mention in one german manual is correct(25 rounds per second), despite mg42 being available in thousands after end of war for anyone to test? with mg3 reverse engineered from mg42 having rof betwee 800-1200(well different cartridge) and what about zastava m53 which is nearly identical copy of mg42 with only difference being that it had stronger recoil spring and it got rof of ~950rpm. it was made with original tooling and used 7.92 cartridge.
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countless different parameters impact the performance of high cadence weapons.
if the producer nation of a weapon created & tested it intensively and produced different stats than other nations capturing and testing same weapon, than obv only the source stats matter.
also by official doctrine becoming proficient with the mg42 took 1,5 years of constant military service. guess how many years the american engineers testing captured MG42s had with the weapon?
avoid logic errors by using strictly lower-hierarchy information sources when they contradict higher-hierarchy information sources.
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In summary, the rate of fire of the MG42 is 1500 and that of the MG45 is 1800 as indicated by German reports. And it has the greatest weight and not that of the allies and Soviets since they did not create the weapon. Where the weapon does not comply with the Doctrine of its MG of its Nation As is the case of the German MG that follows The GERMAN Doctrine What is it about? German doctrine focused on the machine gun as the core of an infantry squad’s firepower. The MG42’s high rate of fire was ideal for Blitzkrieg tactics,which required keeping the enemy under constant pressure.
And stationary mg42 have the light bolt, so, stationary mg42 have the “true” RoF
Check enlisted resource, stationarynare really 1200 RoF
And, i think EX OTAN mg3 gunners are a trustable source
besides armorers manual, which isnt exactly most reliable source, tell me other sources? give me document from first hand testing or technical details from mg42 introduction. that is what we have been asking for last 3-4 months when discussing this topic with @ZOMBERWARRIOR15
considering that there are reports from december 1941, may 1943, january 1944, americans had at least 2 years of testing to get correct rate of fire. i find it unbelievable that they didnt manage to get mg42 to work above 1200rpm considering that they captured hundreds if not thousands of mg42 till then alongside with its original ammo.
what is even more unbelievable is that every english source(and i have managed to go through around ~10-15 of them) mentions 900-1200rpm as standard configuration with two claiming “up to” 1500 rpm and other claiming 1500rpm only with special ammo.
btw just to be clear, i am not claiming that 1500rpm version didnt exist or wasnt achievable, i am just claiming that it wasnt standard for infantry issued version of mg42.
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Of course a German manual is not going to be reliable for you, but an American, British or Soviet one is.What bad luck for you, even if it hurts you, this is the Cadence of the MG42 to surpass the MG34/41 which surpassed the MG34 in cadence, reliability and its production cost is lower
Yeah while we’re at it let me get my 30 P47 roaming the air too I wouldn’t mind it at all if we’re being historically accurate
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if you want to be technically correct then no it is not reliable cause those are still second hand information. i have seen documents from US army that showed incorrect penetration for m6a3 rocket(aka m9 bazooka rocket), but actual documents from testing showed different results.
so for first hand information give mg42 test results. that “up to” in specific configurations could have been easily lost in second hand sources.
btw even though US didnt make mg42, it still did first hand tests on captured mg42 to get actual data.
And boom there goes zombie warriors whole argument like that but then again we solved this issue like hours ago but he’lil always be the biggest baby ever
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Also give me the b29 super fortresses while we’re at it in bomber formation too so that any plane can’t even touch us and also the P-51 that defended them too and oh wait germanys bombers were already Gone by that time oops😉
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