The yield of silver coins is too low, please increase it

[XxNelsonSHxX]

Dude I am getting less than 1000 coins with 5k score as F2P… and vehicles now has extra cost

[Valkay]

I think people are not yet used to the new currency.
They just see huge numbers on their balance because of all the silver and bronze orders converted.
It also doesn’t help that the current battlepass gives 1000-2000 silver per reward.

[Elkaless]

we are forgetting maybe the (removed) chance to get higher stars when buying, reducing significantly the cost?

[_31420124242011]

Yeah the amount of silver you get from everything is honestly a pittance
Especially when compared to the costs of everything
It should be increased by maybe 50-75%

[Euthymia07]

@Elkaless

we are forgetting maybe the (removed) chance to get higher stars when buying, reducing significantly the cost?

That doesn’t really change anything, you’d still have to play a lot more games in the older system

[robihr]

@TUSUPOLISI69

Im more concerned about and price of new soldiers that are way too inflated.
aka assaulter IV 11k silver.

i wouldnt have problem with increased price if i was guaranteed max stat soldier. but for shitty rng soldiers i have big problem.

@Euthymia07

Let’s say you got 30000 XP per battle in the old system.

you are also forgetting hidden nerf to xp by removing easy xp gain from newbies and bots and introducing more capable teammates that are taking lot of your kills/xp.
sadly i dont have data about xp gain before and after merge, but from results i would say that i earn somewhat less.

@Euthymia07

But still significantly cheaper and faster.

@Euthymia07

To fully upgrade a 3 star weapon (69 orders) you’d have needed 14 battles with that same amount of score.

and when buying new weapon you had decent chance of getting upgraded weapon (even fully upgraded weapon). look at this calculation

@robihr

you are looking at the point of stock weapon to +3. when you include that you have pretty good chance of getting +1, +2 or +3 weapon actual price changes.
i will use -40% prices and in silver

t3 weapon before was 1500 silver. lets say that you had 70% chance of getting stock weapon, 15% chance of getting +1, 10% chance of getting +2 and 5% chance of getting +3.
actual average upgrade price would be 70%*13800+15%*11800+10%*7800=12210
if you include 1500 silver, +6 weapon would cost you 13710 silver. in new version cost of +6 will always cost you 14990 silver thus making new weapons more expensive.

cause idk their RNG values that is why i asked for average cost based on those values and not upgrading from stock to max value.

[Euthymia07]

@robihr

more capable teammates that are taking lot of your kills/xp.

Doesn’t change anything for me, I earn the same XP in all my matches

[Greyparrots]

That’s the problem right there you’re talking from your experience not the new players experience

[Elkaless]

@Euthymia07

That doesn’t really change anything

@Euthymia07

Doesn’t change anything for me

well, let me tell you, for me it did. and for a whole lot of other people, seems like it did too.
but we will know soon enough if the developers think it did. if they stick to their horses on silver gains and expenditure, changing nothing for a month or month and half, we know what it was.

[robihr]

@Euthymia07

I earn the same XP in all my matches

i play solo, so in most of my matches before i had prime pick for kills. now i have lot more capable teammates that are stealing what would have been my kills premerge. and while it is nice to have capable teammates and enemies, i think that i have reduced xp gain cause of that (it is anecdotal cause i dont have data from before and after).

btw can you put weapon upgrade cost in your table and do you have legacy data for campaigns? and if you have legacy data can you put it in table?

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@robihr

i wouldnt have problem with increased price if i was guaranteed max stat soldier.

would be one way to solve high cost soldiers such as iv assaulter

@robihr

but for shitty rng soldiers i have big problem.

Actually kind a miss the old rng system, pretty much guaranteed 3star but had a chance to get even 6 star guns / 5star soldiers

[抓到你啦_美味小孩]

But you cannot guarantee that all players or the majority of players will feel the same as you, the official should consider for the majority of players.

[Euthymia07]

@robihr

btw can you put weapon upgrade cost in your table

Already there

Legacy data is this

Btw, it’s still significantly faster, since in terms of XP needed, you need way less than before, since you needed 414k to just get 69 bronze (Not even counting the 75K for buying it)
Even assuming you got lucky and got a +5 gun, you needed 234K XP.
Now, to get a maxed 3 star gun in the new system, you need ~ 122 250 XP

[_31420124242011]

I don’t agree with you much
But this is 110% on point

[Greyparrots]

I ran out of hearts and we must think about the new blood not the veterans this game can’t survive on just veterans

[Elkaless]

i dont really understand much that table. cant see where is the case of spending 3 silver coins and BAM!! 6 star gun. thats 3k of the actual silver for a full 6 star weapon or is it 1500? cant remember if weap orders were 500 or 1000. what were the chances? never knew. i guess very low, but more than zero for certain.

[robihr]

@Euthymia07

Already there

didnt went that wide.

@Euthymia07

Btw, it’s still significantly faster, since in terms of XP needed, you need way less than before, since you needed 414k to just get 69 bronze (Not even counting the 75K for buying it)
Even assuming you got lucky and got a +5 gun, you needed 234K XP.
Now, to get a maxed 3 star gun in the new system, you need ~ 122 250 XP

i will not go into xp cause i made original calculation in merged silver.

from your data fully upgraded rarity 3* weapon will cost 3000 for weapon and 10k for upgrade or ~13000 silver total.
with my RNG calculations (which are there for simple math cause idk their RNG values), on average you would pay 1500 silver for weapon and 12210 for upgrade making it ~13700 silver for fully upgraded rifle, making my calculated value slightly higher then current one (it could even be same or slightly lower depending on RNG values).

not to mention you could RNG fully upgraded weapon when you didnt have enough bronze weapon orders. e.g. 10 weapons would cost you ~15000 silver, but you had high chance of getting fully upgraded weapon and couple of partially upgraded weapons.

@Euthymia07

Legacy data is this

can you put that in some sheet with other legacy data like campaign levels? it would be nice to have for reference.

[SexyTent]

Considering the days of scoring 10000 points and saving up for just one silver order, it is much easier now.
Well, if dev is willing to lower the cost any further, that would be welcome…

[XxNelsonSHxX]

Pretty sure the point is:
Old system: you get 1 free sample per unlock, free vehicles, all sodiers cost 1 silver, pistols can cost 1 silver, some mid-late gear can cost only 1 silver in late campaign such as MP40s and G43s, match is easier so you can farm more exp and orders

Now: nothing is free and Vehicle cost are expensive as hell, the cost doesn’t scale properly, pistols is back to full cost, so many other weapons costing more, match are fast and not easy to play for the most time due how meta or optimal people need to be due afraid of getting the end of the stick

Honestly, I dunno how new players can even buy a vehicle at all, and when they do it, gets uptier to BR3 and torn apart by vets, and when they manage to reach BR3 somehow they will desert their matches every time they get uptier to BR5

If, and a big if, they can last in this game more than a week

[XxNelsonSHxX]

I mean when I started Berlin as my First Campaign, in Berlin as Axis during Burning Sky update, as crueless as I was, I still get free stuff to test how effective they are, now you need to pay for them, yeah even piece of shite like MP3008, I could get the Pz IV J for free despite what piece of shite they are in Berlin, when I get that MP40, G43 and Panther for free in the first time, it just fuel me for the next level…

Now the best course of action a newbie can do is unlock some linear crap and go to the forum asking people if that thing they just unlocked worth using or not before they dump a dozen match worth of coins on that thing they can’t even test if it doesn’t come with a squad by default