Bad example. In WT you’re only “punished” for not playing the right way. Winning allows you to get away with more incorrect attitude, that’s all. Even if you (and many others apparently) don’t understand that, they are trying to push people towards desirable gameplay. It involves longer and more active battles and that is good for everyone who wants to actually play the game.
Here it’s completely different. Any real rewards that can only be acquired by winning create incentive for destructive gameplay that is bad for everyone. Especially considering that in most campaigns winning is reserved mostly for only one faction.
which i forgot to add, and someone said it better:
the majority for us, or i should say, the initial idea of why i have started testing this game and get interested since the alpha, it’s because i wanted to play a realistic game about ww2.
and with the time, it changed to be something similar to fucking cod.
i didn’t sticked so long to find my self playing cod in ww2?
i don’t know about you, but what we are playing, is by far quite the opposite from " participating in a real military battle ".
buunnyhoppers left and right,
automatic weapons to a point of being abnoscius. the scummiest players on the earth just to get this rank even now that it doesn’t give you absolute shit.
and somehow, managed to bring the worst in many people.
i’m seriously getting tired of seeing half of my squad ( if not all ) getting wiped by airplane that keeeps suicide on my squad, wiping everyone in the meanwhile, just to cycle again to vehicles or other planes.
it’s not fun at all watching T***s spamming rifle grenades left and right. because it’s more convenient.
tired of all the fucking spamming with grenades, vehicles, and crouch spammers as well.
you know, all this stuff was present but less annoying to a lesser extent.
this shit is not what we need, nor want.
if that’s what you want, fine.
but at this point i demand for pve or something.
so i can keep playing this game that has interesting stuff that usually get ruined by the way players plays it. i’m sure tweaking ais will make a good pve experience.
custom matches are… bare bones. lacks of tanks and ais equipment is scarce. although they are somewhat good with their aim if you do not get them in time.
i’m sure i can find my challenge there as well. not rushing like a toddler but instead, fighting cover from cover without the ““fear”” of making two steps and getting blowned up by someone for a png.
but i digress.
i never left any matches by the way, and i don’t think i will ever. but might as well leave the game for it’s entirety if that is what we are up to.
which, one major point, not everyone plays just because they want a png rank. hence i don’t see why force everyone to play with those said people that want just that.
maybe, consdier create a different matchmaker for competitive or stuff? i don’t know.
as i’m almost marshal ( and i never fucking wanted that to be honest. i’d rather have been a private or not being able to partecipate in this shitfest ) it just gives them an excuse because of replies like yours and shiivex.
which, don’t get me wrong, i’m usually open minded about everything, and if you both guys want that… i guess that’s fine.
but there has to be better ways than forcing it.
this game is already of niche.
i don’t think it will benefict anyone if you will be forced to play against opponents that has somewhat to be forced to play.
you might be true that devs want to reward those that keeps fighting. but again, there are planty of better solutions.
you can mitigate this tryharding by adding seasonal challenges. so that you don’t have to do them in a single match or whatever, and allow majority of the people to get invested.
although… i think less and less about that. otherwise they wouldn’t have putted the players in this situation.
but, i’m willing to give the benefict of the doubt about this being a first test and attempt, and leave it there.
because again, it’s not, what players wanted nor asked.
hell, it doesn’t even benefict everyone in the slightless.
i’m not sure you or shiv are gonna enjoy this playstyle forever.
We’re not saying 2 different things, I liked this game when everyone used to play bolt action in Moscow, when people only had a single assault squad and trust me I don’t have a single rifle grenade I still only have one assaulter, you have no idea how many time I saw people in Berlin using 3 assault squad all using ppsh, jumping around and killing.
I don’t like that but I believe that’s nothing to do with the rank system, those people used to be here even before and I don’t feel there’s more of them rn.
If someone care enough for rank to play that way then I promise you they will play that way with or without rank.
I understand you want to fix a problem but removing rank system will fix nothing.
IDK how many times should I say it but this rank system is nothing but rewarding you for getting battle heros. Real rank system work like cs:go and no matter what they do, the core of the gameplay is base on casual gaming and it will be.
And please don’t say you have to rankup now. If you don’t like it then ignore it.
Just tell me is removing rank system will fix anything? Or the bad things are really much more than the goods? I think you guys overreacting.
As I said, I ate that sh(ee)t for far too long already.
I jumped into Enlisted in a blink as soon as I realized that no matter everything else, still there was NO penalty whatsoever for getting killed and losing matches.
Plus, here I can enjoy premium content without paying a real dime by living on free GJN I farmed while suffering on that other cursed game. Feels like sort of a payback.
How deep are you into WT? Because there, from mid tier upwards the bane of repair costs becomes ever longer and sharper, to a point where in the worst cases ending a match with a fairly positive KDR AND winning isn’t even enough to cover the cost of your losses in battle. This WITH premium account.
And in addition of the horrible stock grind with ridiculously handicapped vehicles lacking essential weapons or equipment to even stand a fair chance.
because if you win, you get more xps.
to eventually get more " new toys ".
that’s how many people see it.
heck, you know as there’s a specific forum member that keeps making thread about him/her loosing. that’s just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.
and that’s why this rank doubled and promotes nothing less than do whatever is possible to win as a bonus.
of course, correlation =/= causations.
but i can see the increase of teams, and… disgracefull behavior ( imo ) from elements that arise even more.
in my personal opinion.
yes, absolutely.
100%.
people losing their heads ( and making lose our ) over this rank.
so yeah.
as i recall, those mentioned issue WERE present. but much, much less present.
again, the idea was to incentivize people remaining? there are plenty other ways to do so.
for example, use their damn stats/data that they so look to and use it as a reference.
( i’m sure that competitive and making elitlist towards new players that just want to enjoy the game isn’t the way to go )
and start acting to that.
because, i don’t really see why putting a rank system in a casual game in the first place.
apparently… events weren’t enough?.
we have different opinions.
and i don’t know what else to say.
i don’t have to change your mind.
but looks like the likes of you don’t understand the reasons of why some people are against it.
no. but they get mitigated and become many less as they incline to see that the rank is gone.
btw, even if you " fix " suicide spammers, grenade spammers, and yada yada yada, the rank still incenvitize towards toxic behaviors, and " tryharding ".
that’s the least thing we need right now.
we already have enough planty of those individuals on the forum.
( let alone in matches… )
sure, but you can reduce that but simply not showing those ranks in tab and I don’t even know why there’s rank in killfeed.
I don’t think removing the rank system will make everyone here happy or fix anything but we can make it better
only show peoples rank after game got ended (there’s no need to show it from the start, I don’t see any point in that)
2.remove the rank from killfeed.(it make it even better without those rank there)
after that the ranksystem is fine IMO and then they can try to work on other important things that will make it a better game.
and sure you don’t need to be agree with this or anything I said xD. we’re 2 people with 2 different idea about the fun games, I respect what you’re saying and actually trying to learn how other think about the fun game :P. at the end of the day they good game is the fun one, not the one that giving you 9999 different ranks but I still find it more fun to have those ranks in the game and I think it won’t really hurt anyone(I explained why before)
The thing is, for such a system to even make sense in the first place, there need to be - on paper - balanced teams, which there aren’t as they often don’t even have the same number of actual human players in them, let alone map design and actual quality of equipment.
Asymetrical balance is a non-argument either, as different weapon-types have different impact within a round.
To me it seems to be a question on what the game wants to be.
As when the game wants to be a more casual experience, why not go for more of a sandbox feeling, where rewards are tailored towards active play instead of winning?
If it wants to base everything on competing and victories and to increase the grind, then they’ll have to fix the 40-60 balance issue - which is present in almost every campaign - first.
They most likely A) want to advertise the new ranking system by shoving it everywhere they can, and B) they hoped this would be a way to try and mask bots in games.
Except seeing a Marshall with barely 10-20 kills in a match is a further proof of it being a bot, rather than a decoy.
Sis i doubt this, the guy wo do a 4 stack of player for stomp or try hard to much are always the same, remove rank dont change nothing they keep do this, the problem now is only more visible with the rank but it is always like this, if we want “put a wall” between us and them, we need a rankedmatch mode with reward so them can play hardy and we can play safe, all win
About 10 years deep and all the way up to top tiers several times over. Not that I expect me saying that to convince anyone. After all, I’ve had this conversation many times before…
The You better hope there is some magicall milions of players joining this game, or else wait time for mathmacking would be like 2 hours.
You have playerbase divided in 3 servers, 5 campaigns with 2 sides, . Then consider matches last 10-30min, and one is started every minute, so another /20.
Top 10 games of steam by active players, nr 10 has peak 100k active players.
100 000 / (352*20) = 166 players that could be divided in 8 ranks for decent matchmaking (cs:go got like 18 ranks, but mixes them in games)
But only 25k players got even most basic reward squad, 14200 players that completed it.
Even if You are generous and say most people didn’t have time to play, it’s irrelevant as those 25k players didn’t play every hour of every day.
This game has to many greedy monitization and unfreindly to new players grind to keep players playing, as many new ones join all the time, they just f-king leave because of this garbage and i’m not surprised.
So if You want proper matchmaking, either campaign system needs to go, or this game has to be less greedy.
Keep on hoping and inhaling copium
I know what the topic was, but there is no hope, only more shitty solutions that bring more problems.
They mostly added rankings to lmit desertions, instead of having map vete, any matchmaking, or banning modes for players that just desert on them anyway.
No real solutions, only some carrot (which isn’t even known yet) and stick which is lack of carrot.
I desert games anyway, got over 180 points and keep getting more as shitty matches are not worth losing 50 minutes of sweating to salvage one point, when 6 minut moscow conquest get me two points anyway.
The system is a joke, numbers and colors for the brain, solves nothing, only makes more sweats join games and more people that play in groups that swing balance out of the game.
They know this mechanics suck ass, but they can’t just give up even 1% of $, so this is only shit they can do.
Which is retarded as hell, as even in basic economics You learn that it’s more profitable to sell to more people at lower price. They just prefer to milk whales for easy copy paste warthunder assets.
) over this rank.