The Hino-Komuro M1904(日野式自動小銃) we know is a fake gun

So the Americans captured this prototype rifle? If the gun was kept somewhere in Japan throughout the war, we should be able to find some Japanese archives and more information.

“War in the Pacific: Pearl Harbor to Tokyo Bay” page 256/257


The nameplate on the gun stock reads " 造兵學教室" (a classroom of the University of Tokyo)
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I’m confused that picture you gave says that it’s for the second season of 2025… is this a spoiler?

No, it was officially teased.

And the first season for 2025 is going to have ppsh-45.

Wait where do you see this info?

Here

Ahh Shiz there have been SOO many updates and sneak peeks and other news I totally forgot. Thanks man!

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“Hino rifle” posted by Killerwolf1024 has not been confirmed yet.

Yes.

Well, sadly Hino’s house burned down and the man starved after the war so thats gonna be a bit tricky.

Some findings from going through the older chats with friends, problem is we didn’t really write down the sources back then so I had to improvise a bit. I didn’t go digging to hard on these as well since they’re all just western mentions of the gun.

First the German mention of it
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“The Japan Times reported that the known military pilot Hino constructed a new automatic rifle by perfecting the dane pattern. The rifle has a simple mechanism and low weight, its rate of fire is supposed to be 100 rounds per minute.”

Which I think could be found here, but I didn’t go through the ~2200 pages yet

There’s also this from the SAC times

This from the British Journal of the Royal United Service Institution
"A New Automatic Gun

According to the Revista-Militar, trials have been made at the School of Musketry, at Tvyama, in the presence of the Emperor, of an automatic rifle invented by Major Nambu and Captain Hino of the infantry."

This from the Journal of the United States Cavalry Association:
“This automatic rifle was invented by Major Nambu of the Japanese artillery and Captain Hino of their infantry. It works similarly to a machine gun, but is much more simple and it can be carried by a soldier as he does an ordinary rifle without his movements being impeded.”

This from an Italian journal
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“Japan.
Automatic rifle.
From the Revista militar of Lisbon of last November we learn that at the Toyama shooting range, in the presence of the Emperor, an automatic rifle was tested, invented by Major Nambu of the artillery and Captain Hino of the infantry. Its functioning is similar to that of machine guns, but its use is easier, or it can be employed like an ordinary rifle.
Once the shot is fired, the breech automatically opens, the spent cartridge case is ejected and the firing pin is cocked, while another cartridge from the magazine rises into the chamber and the breech also closes automatically.
The rifle is now ready for another shot, and all you have to do is pull the trigger to fire.”

and this from the United Service Magazine
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As a side note there is also this Patent by Hino from 1944(?) for a Gun breech mechanism. (Thanks to @_DELAVR for bringing this to my attention again, I’ve seen it before but he reminded me of it)

https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/c1801/PU/JP-166388/15/ja

There’s definetly more to be found, but I thought I’ll send this for now as a quick update.
I know this sadly still doesn’t confirm the US gun is the Hino-Nambu.

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It read “出願 昭和十八年” which means “Proposed in 1943”.
This is indeed a patent for rifle and machine gun.
But we can’t rule out this possibility either: The patent application Hino filed in 1943 was for an idea that was never put into practice and had nothing to do with rifle from the Meiji period.
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I think we’re stuck in a dead end. Maybe oneday someone can be authorized to enter the warehouse of US Army Quartermaster Museum and do some research about it.

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Ofc, I just wanted to mention it since I had it on hand.

beautiful <3

Sorry, I mean Meiji period. :woozy_face:

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Some additional info, and a quick chat with @_DELAVR



New York Daily News, 13 June 1921



Letter from the American Embassy in Japan to the Japanese Minister of War requesting information about the Hino rifle.


@NonNational

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Thank you for your efforts, again.
Is the New York Daily News report from another weapon made by Hino? It seems to have no relation to the 1904 rifle.
Also, did the Japanese Minister of War reject the American request?

I think so, pretty sure Hino continued to work on SLRs even into the 40s as seen with that one patent.

Sadly don’t know, but I’d guess so or otherwise we’d probably have something in that regard documented on the US side :sweat_smile:

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@James_Grove @MajorMcDonalds
Hello James and McDonalds, I know developers have put a lot of work into the Hino rifle, and they are unlikely to abandon those efforts for reasons of historical accuracy.
What I hope is, when Hino rifle was released, can developers explain in the weapon description that the Hino rifle in game is based on imagination and we currently know very little about this weapon?

This is a more acceptable suggestion. Of course, if developers eventually decide to cancel the release of Hino rifle, I will be very grateful too.

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Hello, we forwarded this to weapon designer

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@James_Grove If you can, you can change it to this Nambu-style semi-automatic rifle, and the room can be changed to a BR2

Decision is now to make more accurate name in the game on that rifle.

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