It often comes up to the powercreep. One tank has to precisly aim for a weakspot or even can’t penetrate at all while the enemy can pen it without much effort.
This can be mitigated by flanking but many maps are built in a way that makes it hard or even impossible. Good example being both beach maps in the Normandy where superior tank can be countered only by aircraft.
And before you argue, yes this is kind of ballanced. But it’s simply not fun.
Personally I stopped using tanks because of this.
Tank vs infantry.
Most of the time it comes up to:
tank is camping in the grey zone and only plane or another tank can destroy it.
tank rushes in and gets detpacked.
While there are other suitations, those two are the majority.
It’s not fun to be an infantry man mowed down by a tank he can’t reach.
Neither it’s fun to be a tank that got blown up by one dude who hid is some bush or house.
Also mowing down infantry without any resistance is boring after a while.
And blowing up a tank with no effort (aka free xp) is boring.
Maybe I’m a noob or other skill issue but imo tank related gameplay is really not fun.
Also take note that I’m not talking about you, average MLG player and a forum member that can OHK a Tiger with a pistol, but about some random playing the game for fun.
I actually starting hate the enlisted combined arms gameplay
I wish we can have, official map with only tank,plane,infantry or map wo switch from infantry battle to tank battle or map wo switch from air battle to infantry battle with paratroopers, this type of shit, but i doubt we can go see this in the near future…
You think that’s bad? You should try Stalingrad campaign.
The KV-1’s just unkillable for the Germans. It’s soo laughable that they made it fine for WT where a Panzer IV Aust F2 could kill it and for Enlisted, it can’t even pen it 10m with a well-placed shot right at the side of the turret… At god damn 10m. Even the AT gun placement can’t destroy it.
Whereas the Russian KV-1 just one shots everything the Germans had to bare.
I played stalingrad but left when KV-1 spam started.
Dealing with them was actually quite a fun experience when they were in limited numbers (so one or two per match). But sadly both devs and community like to spam heavy tanks.
I know TNT works but I can’t TNT it while I’m in a Pz.IV can I? Besides, the SOLE purpose of the KwK 40 on the Panzer IV WAS to bust heavier tanks in a medium package like the KV-1s that the Wehrmacht faced during the early Barb push to Moscow and outside Leningrad with Kolobanov’s defense line where he wiped out 15-35 Panzer III with just 5 KV-1s and none of the German tank guns busted even one KV-1.
It’s tank-on-tank and if the F2 could kill KV-1 in real life without much difficulty, even in WT WHICH is also made by Gaijin, being able to kill even the Matilda II irl, I don’t see why the hell it’s that god damn tough to take down one KV-1 in Enlisted.
It’s like they’re totally embracing “Russian bias” without even batting an eyelid but yet say they don’t.
Dont use pz4 is more easy kill it with infantry, i dont understand wy people think a tank need be killed with a tank, expecially in city battle were tank are infantry food
It’s like asking “why you sending a plane to destroy another plane? Infantry can do the same thing!”
Tanks are multi-purpose tool that are made to bust other tanks and support infantry. Tanks can be useful in urban situations too.
However, your statement is even worse than I thought. You’re embracing the brokeness of the KV-1 by not even voicing it out and letting the shitshow continue while over here saying “if the game is broken, fix it yourself by playing another method”. I’ve never seen a statement like that before.
If one doesn’t use a tank to its advantage then why the hell for is there even tanks in the game? And what’s the point of using normal infantry when the KV-1’s APHE and HE charges could wipe out your entire squad with one shot like it’s Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined in Aug 1945?! Who’s gonna be the mobile arty for the team if one doesn’t take the pitiful tanks the Germans had? Who’s gonna counter the KV-1? By praying that someone uses det charges on them? That’s just wishful thinking
Panzer IV Aust F2-J are tank-killers/multi-purpose role, Sherman Easy-Eight are tank killers, M26 Pershing are tank killers, T-34 be it the 76mm F-38 cannon or the 85mm WERE tank killers, Tiger I were tank killers, Tiger II were tank killers, IS-2 were made to bust Tiger Is, Comet was made to bust tanks, StuG III was made to bust tanks and support infantry at the same time.
All these major tanks are built to destroy other tanks and you’re telling me “dedicated tanks made to kill other tanks are rare especially in WWII”? BRO! Most major tanks used by all sides are made to kill tanks THEN support infantry, not the other way round. They support the infantry BY killing other vehicles coming against their infantry and bunker busting becomes their secondary role as most infantry clearing tasks are being done by assault guns like the ISU-152 in case for the Soviet side or the Brummbar for the German side, NOT tanks as a primary infantry clearing task.
you forgot
3. tank vs the map. sad state when tank needs to fight some map elements that cant be driven over by tank.
well i think easiest way to fix stale tank play is is to enlarge maps with tank engagement zone. that would be removal of part of the grey zone for tanks so they can maneuver outside of infantry engagement zone (current map). that way you wouldnt be forced to funnel your tank in one particular direction and you could flank stronger tanks.
Dude im not gonna read your rant, i suggest you to read how tank warfare wark in ww2, because i think you are biased toward the fact that a tank need be an immortal god of the battlefield and only another tank can kill him obliviusly in fair battle were different specific of progettation or role dont matter
I never said that and I KNOW how armoured warfare works because I AM an armoured infantry operator which operates IFVs and having to co-op with tank brigades.
No tanks are fucking immortal but the KV-1 is just fucking that. You CAN destroy it with det charges but then you’re missing the god damn point. The WHOLE point of it is that you CAN’T kill the KV-1 with the main purpose of the Panzer IV and that’s to kill the fucking thing.
You’re practically saying “I own a gun that I can’t fire live rounds with but it’s ok. Imma just throw my pistol at an enemy and he’ll die”. That’s not how game balancing works mate.
You can’t have a broken ass tank that could one shot anything be it infantry or tanks and on the other side have another tank that can’t do anything be it kill tanks THAT IT SHOULD irl nor destroy infantry components easily enough.
Also, fucking mind you… A 76mm KwK 40 APHE CANNOT pen a T-70 with just 50mm armour at the hull. Tell me how “great” your logic is again when a 76mm gun shell can’t even pen a light tank.
I’m not fucking arguing that a tank must kill a tank. I’m arguing that the Panzer IV Aust F2 in the freaking campaign isn’t doing what it’s supposed to do and that’s to bust open KV-1s!
Have you even played the campaign? Have your ever tried being rained upon by 2 KV-1s and your whole team could do fucking nothing as none of your tanks can kill it LIKE IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN FUCKING REAL LIFE and your det charges can only kill 2 tanks only to see another 2 rolling out and your other tanks can’t do anything to it?
I’ve been in multiple matches where KV-1 just dominated the killfeeds and the entire game where infantry was having issue killing it with det charges and tanks just can’t touch it as every time a Pz.IV meets it, boom it goes with one hit from the KV-1 and said Panzer IV can be tossing shot after shot after shot into it and it won’t be destroyed. One match can see up to 10 KV-1s.
Please fucking tell me how bloody fun it is when you can’t kill it whereas it stomps your game.
You dont understand, you want a tank with worse gun and armor, kill a tank with better gun and armor in the same way the second kill the first
Use your brain for one time
kv1 is heavy armored on all side, is slow and it become a rock wen him angle the armor and have 76,2mm cannon and is specifically made for kill other tank and be a siage gun
pz4 f2/G are less armored, more fast, decent wen angle the armor and have only a 75mm cannon and is specifically made for be the german main tank decent in all, fast to build, master of nothing
Now tell me how the pz4 wo is supposed be the workhorse tank of german army can be sustain a one vs one aganaist a tank the kv1 wo is build not for be the russian workhorse but the russian behemot of tank warfare
Now tell me how a pz4 is supposed do a 1v1 vs a kv1 answer