t34 in moscow needs to be nerfed into the ground hard as fuck
its performance it that of one from 1945
it is a disgrace to call it realistically represented in the game and only shows that people buy all the propaganda
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Counter attack to moscow continued thruoght winter 41-42 and red army launched another 2 offensive around rzhev in 42. Solution is simple
Add rzhev maps and rename campaign to 1941-42 center front
So with this way adding tiger 1 wint be anachronistic
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Wrong, the performance are worse than the t34-85, are the german tank shit, and dont come say to me
“but…but pz3j/1 can pen him in 3 or 4 shot”
because already from the bt7 pz3j/1 is a joke
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Heavier tanks should be less common and germans should get additionall 10 better AP rounds ro knock out rus med/heavy tanks.
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could you point out specifically which indicators of this technique do not correspond to reality? For example: cross-country ability, engine power, gun caliber, armor, etc. Well, provide the materials to which you refer, concluding that it is not historical. Guided by the rules of formal logic as a method
T34s were shit before the Soviets managed to turn it into a decent medium tank in 43 44.
Shitty materials, shity crew conditions, no radio, overtasked commander and shity crew itself.
Otherwise its still beyond me why the so-called “best” tank of WW2 has one of the highest death ratio accross WW2.
But the game (and most games in general) dont reflect those things.
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Well, your text is without specifics, so I don’t even know how to respond to it. It was revealed that there is attention to the thesis: “the highest mortality among tankers” - is it important to clarify how this figure was formed? Is this an absolute or relative measure? considers the personal transport of the conditional crew of the pz4 and one of the modifications of the pz4 as crews of different cars? Is a theater of war going on (for example, the Kursk Bulge, which is the most massive tank battle in history and Erwin Rommel’s sluggish shootings against one and a half cripples on a tractor in the desert). Without a methodology to get this release, it’s just cheap speculation
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Because it get spammed like shit with big guns every new version, the best tank of the war is the sherman
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Okay lets have German tanks in Berlin especially King Tiger have worse steel then along with worse tank crews because of the lack of experienced crews by the time of the Battle of Berlin.
T-34 obr 1940 sure was shit along with poor training of crews in Operation Barbarossa but it was later corrected with the later versions along with the improvement of crew training + the experience in battles.
The best version of the T-34 during WWII is actually the T-34-85 that made it one of the best tanks of the war. It may not be the best in performance but mass production allows the Red Army to have many of those tanks available for the battles. It was built out of necessity where in wartime, its better to have many of the not so good tanks built and ready to fight than a few and expensive but quality tanks like the Germans did.
I agree, Sherman is the best tank of the Vietnam War. because there he managed to recoup from beginning to end. the Vietnamese had nothing to oppose Sherman
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Dude dont be “russian anthem biased” sherman and for sherman i mean the end war version the 76 is better than t34-85 in all thing, is sufficiently go to see war thunder stats and try both
You understand that appealing to the game as some kind of quasi-simulation is the same as using only simulation without empirical data as an argument in favor of certain physical processes. I repeat once again that with any accuracy we have not compiled a certain Model, it will not fully reflect the real empirical data. Therefore, all this talk like: “too strong in the game, because in fact he was shit” - empty chatter. The game is a conditional model, you can help bring it closer to reality by pointing out technical inconsistencies, but it does not work in the opposite direction. You are not using the syllogism correctly when drawing up a conclusion.
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All word for say t34 is better, you want data? Go to see what soviet tanker say about it, you still are biased
Wo fucking care
Im not posting book of argoument for something you can see yourself with 3sec google search
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Sheesh you waste more time dodging my points instead of saying anything.
All T34s until the 85 have four crew members. Just go to WT or is this too much for you to ask for? Thats more than enough to proof this point. All German medium and even Allied medium tanks had five crew members even by 41.
Rest 9 Reasons Why Some Think the T-34 was a Poor Tank - Tank Roar
Im yet to see any different claims about its soft factors apart from forum warriors.
Its a hard factor tanks which suffers from soft factors such as reliability, crew, quality so much that it partly even affected the armor aka hard factors.
And since Soviets always have (way) higher causalities than the Germans regardless of which kind of battles, I am not gonna waste my time to micro-research each casualties’ if it doesnt change anything at the total losses at all.
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Which is why I stated 43 44 which was the time period where the Soviets started to manufacture the 85s iirc. Its nnot the worst tank. Italian tanks are way worse, let alone French and Japanese “tanks”. But its not the ura-masterkiller tank as its often claimed, together with this stupid simping for Panthers and Tigers.
But who am I to judge since I love the Churchill?
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I don’t think that the discussion about whether the T-34 is the best tank or not is within the competence of us (the inhabitants). I will only note that your subjective assessments are of little value, especially without reference to actual indicators (memoir sources of historical knowledge are not absolute). I only suggest that you operate with absolute indicators that, in your opinion, are incorrectly reflected in the game (for example: the engine power in the game is incorrect, or the ballistics of the projectile is incorrect). it will be much more productive than pushing through only your personal preferences for reasons of personal sympathy / state propaganda / faith in the exclusivity of the Western genius and other relative fillers of the self-consciousness of the proles / plebeians
Kepp writing book, @CaptainSebekel already posted wyt34 is overrated you are simply biased, go simp him elsewhere
Or open war thunder and see it yourself
We know we are not experts but we all have opinions and we dont influence anything with it.
But we dont need a degree for simple debates in a game forum.
Dear Western comrades, I draw your attention to the fact that my criticism does not concern the subject of our dialogue (tanks), but your way of constructing arguments and conclusions. You do not use syllogism and violate the laws of formal logic. I do not encroach in the least on your right to have an individual opinion, moreover: in my society the idea of freedom of speech and freedom of conscience is consistently promoted. But you’re making childish mistakes in assertion output. read the formal logic or the works of Aristotle on this topic and understand what my claims to you are
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