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[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@VoyoMayPL

I’d say you are too pedantic here. PS is as historical as one can get with all the limitations of doing a PvP game.
Sure it’s not perfect, but hardly anything is even close to PS.

common misconception.

but just because it comes to being close, doesn’t mean it actually IS one.

which it’s because of said PVP constraints to make it even remotely appealing.

also, let’s get it straight.

historical accurace, means portray the events in all smaller details of what actually happened.
how guns performed, the various units involved, the locations etc.

which yes, it is a daunting task to perform and even more to play it.

but as they stated, it tries to portray historical accuracy, but falls short on various loadouts, vehicles specifics, pen effects, squads compositions, etc etc.

so no… as much i did played post scriptum ( now named squad 44 ), hell let loose and many others.
most aren’t. which again, it’s fine.
they don’t have to.

( just like enlisted didn’t had to blatantly mislead with this one either. but… it’s kinda a thing of the past )

[木石]

Perhaps we just need to immediately stop the discussion about weapons and equipment. Can anyone tell me which relevant player suggestions have been listened to by the game developers in the past six months?

[VoyoMayPL]

You are basically arguing that F1 car is not a fast car because it doesn’t move at the speed of light.

And with strict enough criteria, even museums, books, articles etc aren’t historical.

[VonuhLikesCake]

Enlisted being “Historically Accurate” has been dead forever, if it ever was even a thing. Enlisted just needs to focus on holding onto “Historical Authenticity” at this point. They will add all the prototypes in the world and I’m ok with it at this point as long as the prototypes existed before the end of WW2.

[Life_burns]

And are not something absolutely absurd like the grasshopper

[Valkay]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

starting to sound like veekay

Nope, Veekay wants only standard weapons in their correct time period, I and Adam are way more relaxed.
We don’t mind the sandbox style of the game but want to keep it world war 2. Im sure its in everyone’s best interest to prevent Enlisted from going WT stupid and have WW2 tanks fight 80s armoured cars or IFVs.

[Life_burns]

Yeah I also want only ww 2 stuff but I don’t mind if they add Korean war just with the WW 2 equipment that we have in game just to have some USSR vs US experience

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

no…
ugh… it’s taking me quite some time to " rebutt ".

but it would be like saying that strafish are fishes.
spoiler allert. they aren’t.

( a bit more complex than that. )

but as you saw, something that proclaims to be something else, you gotta ask your self, is this really the case?

like peanuts. funnily enough, peanuts are not actually nuts.
They’re legumes, like beans and lentils

same applies to historical accuracy of your averange ww2 game.

which there’s way more than just skins or weapons.

@VoyoMayPL

And with strict enough criteria, even museums, books, articles etc aren’t historical.

yes but actually no.
most books, art etc are historical with their nuances.

and as it goes for primary sourches, there are no easy answers due to propaganda, bias, undermise etc etc.

but, after all, history isn’t that simple.

as far games goes, historical accuracy relies in numbers, units, equipment, vehicles, squad compositions etc.

which most games failes to do.

it’s my point.

@Valkay

Nope, Veekay wants only standard weapons in their correct time period, I and Adam are way more relaxed.
We don’t mind the sandbox style of the game but want to keep it world war 2. Im sure its in everyone’s best interest to prevent Enlisted from going WT stupid and have WW2 tanks fight 80s armoured cars or IFVs.

well yes.

everyone wants something different.

but as far as being a ww2 game, it should still be about ww2.
which i’d assume that would be the rule of thumb ( and has been outside the horis. but even there, it’s debetable. or the new post war japanese rifle, if i understood it correctly. )

which the french thingy still is part of ww2 due to having been made in paper and an actual mockup.
similar to the ho ri.

[Valkay]

Or they could just add a Soviet vs allies in Berlin alternative reality campaign.

[Life_burns]

That would be interesting Aprils fool event

[Valkay]

Better than this one for sure.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

operation unthinkable could have been a better April fool…

realtively easy to do as well.

[Life_burns]

Absolutely!

[VoyoMayPL]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

yes but actually no.
most books, art etc are historcial with their nuissance.

They are what we know about history, which is certainly not 100% correct because it’s impossible without a time machine (and probably even with it).
So as I’ve said, with certain criteria, they are not historical because of above.

@ErikaKalkbrenner

as far games goes, historical accuracy relies in numbers, units, equipment, vehicles, squad compositions etc.

which most games failes to do.

That’s your criteria. And I’d argue no game ever will match them, at least in our lifetime.

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Most ppl agree that PS is as historical as a PvP game can get. So it may not fulfill your criteria, but it does many other’s.

Just like a starfish can be a fish with loose enough criteria. And loose criteria are caused by lack of anything better. Basically scaling.

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

well, no.

because you’re describing perception of " muh immersion " type of argument.

historical accuracy due to records, sorches al be it, murky on various reports, it’s defined in various details.
just like a starfish definition.

you could make the argument " look, a fish! " just because it lives alongside other fishes. but no.
that’s not actually true.

both terms are distinctive and defined.

[Ma_theos33]

I really like that Tokyo arsenal gun idea, consider adding this to your list maybe: Murata Shotgun as a possible event gun for Japan

[VoyoMayPL]

@ErikaKalkbrenner

both terms are distinctive and defined.

Only because ppl agreed on this.
There’s literally no reason why starfish couldn’t be classified as a fish, other than a bunch of (presumable smart) biologists said so and made a rules to classify as one or another.

And:

1. We don’t have a bunch of ppl who would made a historical criteria for games. So it’s as far away from defined as it gets.
2. Even if they did, those criteria could be completely different from what you’ve described here. Just like a beaver was considered to be closer to a fish than a mammal because of continence.

My point is that semantics / classification comes down to:
“I say this is fish because of xyz. Do you agree?”
“Yes”

[ErikaKalkbrenner]

@VoyoMayPL

There’s literally no reason why starfish couldn’t be classified as a fish

well ugh…

Echinoderms are not fishes though .

look it up

@VoyoMayPL

We don’t have a bunch of ppl who would made a historical criteria for games. So it’s as far away from defined as it gets.

but we do.

which… yes.
somewhat doesn’t help my case as all type of people come up with all sort of different perceptions and their own ideas.

@VoyoMayPL

Even if they did, those criteria could be completely different from what you’ve described here. Just like a beaver was considered to be closer to a fish than a mammal because of continence.

but as far as game go,

you can make a perfect historical game.

regardless of caving to gameplay diversity, pvp ideas / balance etc.

which it’s what most games won’t do.
nor they have to. otherwise they will not sell.

but those who call themselves ( or their game ) historical accurate, most time than not, they aren’t.

guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
but i’m still right.

@VoyoMayPL

My point is that semantics / classification comes down to:
“I say this is fish because of xyz. Do you agree?”
“Yes”

again, is this really the case?

i’m not arguing about perceptions.
pure mere facts backed up with countless sourches of events.

it’s like a recipe.

sure, you can decide to alter it or not follow it.
but the results and outcomes will really differ.

which then will be an argument about " is it good or not ".

but… can you really claim about the outcome if the way to get there or the ingredients are nothing like the thing you’re trying to make?

[Life_burns]

Well I scraped a lot of guns cuz they simply are not so good for the TT :

Spoiler

And there was more I had to recycle a lot of stuff

[Ma_theos33]

understood, looks interesting