yeah iconic of the german situation, though tbf its pretty iconic from its cultural impacts as well, and by that I mean its appearance in media and games.
In like five games…
(In comparison, the G43 was included in at least three times more FPS games if not way more, not including RTS games etc.)
And only PS is the somewhat “latest” game, and that game is deader than RO2.
It was not used in any notable movie.
No, most probably don’t know it existed, and others would briefly mention it for being one of the worst weapons the Germans issued to their troops for like one or two years.
And all that is only the Walter version since the Mauser version is even less known and popular and used.
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Historical prototypes are neither fake nor non-historical.
Since when Snowflake = sigma?
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If he had simply written that he wanted to introduce a -/+ 1 BR MM, I would have supported him.
But given his completely bizarre reasoning where he says something about fake guns (I assume what he meant are prototypes and other rare guns). I really can’t support that.
Even more so when BR3 is also full of prototypes and rare weapons that weren’t commonly seen in WWII as well. The argumentation just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
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tbf BR 3 weapons are apples, while BR 5 weapons are pears.
As a whole, those prototype and rarer weapons are less common in BR 3, even BR 4, however once you reach BR 5, it actually becomes harder to find a non-prototype/exceedingly rare gun. There are levels to this.
But as a whole thats also ignoring the not only completely different stats and effects of BR 5 weapons vs BR 3, but also the massive change in gameplay. BR 5 plays far closer to COD rather than what more of enlisted is.
Theres nothing wrong with enjoying BR 5 and what it offers, however it cant be denied BR5 had ought to be contained to at least BR 4, if not its own bracket. I dont mind facing BR 4 with a BR 3 lineup, in fact I love it, there is such a joy in popping tigers in a sherman. However its far harder to get that sort of uphill battle feeling vs BR 5, to win against BR 5 at BR 3, you have to count on the enemy fucking up.
Since forever
Well, to be honest if DF cared about our BR level concerns, they would have done something about it by now. Clearly from the amount of posts I have read (including my own) most people do not want BR 5 mixed with any other BR level. It should be very simple, but, with DF nothing is simple from what I can tell.
How hard would it be to just have three BR levels, BR1-2 get absorbed together, BR3-4 get absorbed together and BR-5 is all by itself, where it should be. I would love to use a couple BR4 weapons in my BR3 lineups, but that just ensures myself a BR5 ass whooping. That being said, I would love to load up my BR3 Allies and not be facing BR5 Japanese, so, I don’t, I just desert.
Drop the soft rule, drop the 1/1 rule and make BR1/2 with ZERO chance of facing BR3. Make BR3/4 with ZERO chance of facing BR2 or BR5. To me, it’s simple, but with “we don’t have enough players” DF, it’s not. Dark Force, I will let you in on a little secret that most of the players have figured out. If you don’t have enough players by now, “YOU NEVER WILL!”
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this ends at BR ±0
wanted it at merge, nothings changed
still waiting
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I would absolutely LOVE IT if DF would just give us 0/0, however, with all the complaining about the soft rule ect. which DF does nothing about, I figure there is no chance with that. I feel like people are just pissing into the wind making any suggestions to DF as nothing important ever changes. Oh sure, they will make blood stains brighter, make maps prettier but when it comes to actual things players complain about, it’s the old “Talk to the hand” response we seem to get.
One side of the problem is that BR3 is the only BR that can get the +2 BR uptier treatment.
And the other side is that Darkflow managed to massacre their game to the point where"American WW2 Army" somehow means “Hyde 44 + T20” meta by default.
In a way this even surpasses BFV and Vanguard.
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I think if you want to go the “iconic” way to play with real weapons, then no matter the BR, each top meta pick makes you play with uncommon weapons, well BR1 and maybe BR2 seems to be the exception.
Armaguerra, ZK, VG, G41, Soviet Winchester and such aren’t really iconic weapons.
In reality Germany used almost exclusively MP40, Kar98 and MG42 and MG34, G43 and STG later in the war.
The Soviets used PPSH, Mosin, DP, SVT and later PPS.
US used M1 carbine, M1 Garand, BAR, Thompsons, 30 and 50 cal Browning and at the beginning of the war some Springfields.
Brits used Lee Enfield, Bren Vickers and Sten.
Japa used Arisaka and a few MGs.
If we exclude all the other weapons of this game we would need to remove like 90% of the games content.
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At least they existed, often in large quantities.
And the ‘rare’ or ‘prototypes’ weapons of low BR are not meta-proto-AK.
Unlike BR5 (which you are also forced to play as BR3, evidently) – where T20 and Autohei are 1. OP AF and 2. used by literally 100% of players despite them never even appearing on any battlefield.
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Because if you remove the T20 you have to remove the FG42 as the M2 is not an analogue
Who said each nation must have a carbon copy of another nation’s every weapon?
That’s the flawed design philosophy in the first place.
listen, I do agree with you, but you have to acknowledge that it is hard to draw the line in this regard…
Well yes it’s often an arbitrary line but I guess at the very least the “unique” and “prototype” stuff should be limited in numbers and not OP/meta (event/BP/gold order).
Seeing Americans storm Omaha beach with T20 and Hyde and Rocket Pershing because it’s literally the best stuff they can have is so off-putting.
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Sure when we have Tiger tanks with real break down action
FG42 are limited to paratroopers
Most German soldiers are limited to bold action rifles
Us needs prototype guns because Germans has fiction numbers of limited weapons
By the end of the war Germany like Japan could not even produce quality standard versions of their starting weapon nor fully trained solders
i am sick of this idea of real weapon but every faction having infinite resources bs being held as historical or realistic
Most soldiers used SMGS or bolt action rifles
machine guns, flamethrowers, shotguns, assault rifles, full auto are way to common.
as for factions being unique and having there-own weapons without analogues you need to make them equal.
sorry good use planes with rockets is not a counter to Tiger 1 2 or panthers
The M2 is not a counter to the FG42
the Thompson io not a counter to an assault rifle
A Sherman would enjoy numerical superiority and air superiority to a tiger.
German Machine guns over 50 rounds would be fired prone from a bipod does not shoulder or hip fired.
The US was the only nation to uniformly equip soldiers with a semi-auto. so Germany can have assault rifles if they loose semi autos.