Unless you provide clear evidence other than the claims made in the forum, the assertion that the weapon has 200mm of penetration capability cannot be accepted.
Well it is for dev to decide, not you.
Many stuff in game are just having estimated value.
We still need a Japan at weapon for br5.
Developers base penetration values on actual data, so without clear data, it is unlikely that the 200mm penetration will be implemented. However, if they insist on adding a BR5 anti-tank weapon for Japan, the Panzerfaust, which received schematics from Germany, might be the most feasible option.
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The Grb-39 already has ahistorical penetration stats, it was changed to have higher pen so It could destroy the KV-1.
The devs are willing to bend real stats for game balance so It would not be a surprise to see the Ji-Te Dan with at least 180mm of penetration to counter american and (in the future) soviet heavy tanks.
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Superior engineering and yet they are inferior to the American equivalent.
DF should stop with giving German low mag sized lmgs insane rof because it only hurts their awful recoil and bad dispersion even more. While Americans and Soviets can spray all day long with their perfect rof, low recoil/low-mid dispersion and high mag capacity MGs.
Our smgs and rifles especially sniper rifles are completely outclassed by American and Soviet equivalents.
Only our ARs can barely keep up with your guns and when we are matched against Soviets we are playing in the dark souls mode since all their TT guns are superior to ours across the board.
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Extreme sarcasm and contempt for the wehraboos who genuinely think the Tiger or the Panther āwas the greatest tank of the warā and āif only Germany had more of X tankā
German engineering is good for 2 things and 2 things only. Over complicating everything and grocery stores. Thatās it. Can they engineer a WW win? Absolutely not
Shouldāve mass adopted the Gewehr 41 or 43 instead of having Kar98kās from start to finish. Put that āindustrial heartland of Europeā to work and learn how to mass produce. As for SMGās, thatās an interesting one to look at. So generally, American SMGās have more base damage and a good bit more recoil, or at least visual recoil. German ones have less recoil. Which one has more RoF depends on the models. The M3 is one of the slowest down there with the FNAB, but the Thompsonās have some of the highest and some Italian SMGās are just insane on the receiving end. So RoF is a toss up, but generally itās base damage or low recoil is the differences
You have to remember this game is published by Gaijin. They are known forā¦a certain leaning in their games. One may even call it a ābias.ā Lol
First off, thank you for sharing sources for the T59E3 rocket. Considering the lack of more concrete information on the T24, I would change my suggestion to splitting the M9 and M9A1, or perhaps M9A1 and M9A1E1 (whichever makes more sense), with the latter of either pair using T59E3 rounds.
What is your source for the T24ās performance being worse than the M18? I donāt see how a larger diameter HEAT projectile created with the same technology for the time would somehow worse performance, especially if the M18ās spin-stabilized shells would have even further negative effects on penetrative performance? Itās also worth mentioning that I may have been incorrect claiming it was a 3.25-inch rocket and might be 3.5-inches (88mm) in diameter, after double-checking Yuri Pasholokās post of the image I used:
Lastly, discussing the Ji-Te Dan projectiles. I double-checked the general information online, itās supposedly a 200mm projectile with 250mm penetration. I havenāt been able to find further information on it, but Iāll try to dig around some more. Going off of general speculation (which obviously is far from concrete), Japanese HEAT projectiles in WW2 subject to spin-stabilization had a ~1.2 penetration to diameter ratio (75mm HEAT had 90mm of penetration). Using that as a reference point, a 200mm spin-stabilized HEAT projectile would have 240mm of penetration, which a spigot-type rifle grenade typically wouldnāt have. Again, this is COMPLETELY speculative on my part, and wouldnāt be good enough for the game. Iāll try digging in the jacar.archives for anything rifle grenade related and hopefully report back, but itās highly likely that the projectile would surpass 150mm of penetration, making it the best AT option Japan could have.
Hereās a penetration table for Japanese HEAT projectiles. The 6th column discusses the 75mm HEAT shell and itās performance (12th row is penetration performance).
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lol
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you ask for all nations to be brought in line at BR5 - but at the same time you suggest that the AVT 40 should have a 25 round magazine, even though 20 round magazines also existed.
Not biased at all.
how about the type hei gets nerfed and the AVT gets buffed with magazine capacity? 30 rounders should be set for medium damage assault rifles, and 20 rounders should be set for select fire battle rifles.
ADD IT ADD IT DOESNĀ“T MATTER WHAT I WANNA SEE MORE WEAPONS ( hope that it will not be premium )
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AVT could arguably stay as is, but if left with only 15 round magazines, Iād probably have people saying Iām biased against Soviets.
No matter what is suggested, someoneās going to be upset. At the end of the day, the post is meant to be a collection of ideas, I really donāt expect all of them to be implemented.
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I feel you, well this issue is difficult and I would like people to actually have a reasonable discussion about this anyways.
I guess the devs know about this issue by now, but what exactly should be done about this no one knows.
Is this the 20 round magazine you speak of? Definitely could be implemented:
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It shows all 4 type of magazine for AVT 10 round , 15 , 20 , 25
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The suggestion lists it as a new unlock, not a buff to the current one, which I agree with.
He also suggested its direct counterpart which also gets a 25 round magazine:
I fail to see the bias in his suggestion, If you didnt want to see any more SF rifles that have over 20 rounds in a mag then you would have mentioned the G43 selbstlader aswell and not only the AVT.
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well i think that they should nerf type hei AR and t20, instead of buffing AVT40 and fg42 (or introducing OP SF rifles for both sides). buffing SF rifles just creates new meta where they are only viable option if you want to have advantage over enemy.
A thing I think that a high cap SMG and another BR 4 SMG is also needed for Germany
For high capacity I would suggest ZK-403(MP SS 42) which has drum magazine that it seems to hold 64 round and has 600 rate of fire
and for a BR 4 SMG TBH Suomi SMG would be good with maybe casket mag which holds 56 round but that also could be used for high cap SMG maybe SIG MP41 or MP 44 but those are Swiss SMG and never saw action most likely be better off for GO , maybe Danuvia M44 but only a few were made I think maybe the better option would be Madsen M41 which has 900 rate of fire also has 20 , 36 ,40 , 50 , 71 round mag and also this smg can be used as high cap SMG for Germany
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Iād say Federov is of equal overall performance/ranking as T20/Type Hei, or at least close enough. Use it as a baseline for the performance of other SMGs/ARs. Tokyo Arsenal is almost a laser since the recoil changes, itās currently being slept on as well.
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Iāve given this a lot of thought (including seeing some of your previous forum posts on the subject, nice work!). I believe the 39M as it is currently implemented is pretty solid, with possible consideration for the Suomi KP/31 to be added to the tree as well.
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it would be good BR 4 SMG had it not been a BR 5 SMG thats why I stated a BR 4 SMG is needed cause currently only one BR 4 SMG is M38 which Imma be honest it doesnāt hold up its accurate , its laser gun but so does any other SMG for High cap SMG I think having a Suomi would be better off since it was used more widely than anything I can suggest but again its already in game as premium and other variants of M31 are more exotic than normal one and would stand out in TT maybe KP-44 with Drum would be better since it has 71 round mag which would be a great counter part for Soviet high cap SMGs though those are my humble opinions
