Rework Type 99 LMG Rate Of Fire đŸ”©

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Well reducing the Type 99 rate of fire so much was absolutely unnecessary I would understand nerfing it but fully upgraded Type 99 and Type 96 cant have the same rate of fire:

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So fully upgraded Type 99 should have rate of fire of 700-800

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Japanese Type 99 Machinegun

As you can see they don’t have same rate of fire and before I listen to some B.S. what the doctrine suggest go put all weapons on settings that the doctrine suggest specially prototypes 

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So Type 96 should gets its scope:
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And Type 99 should get fire rate increase fully upgraded to 700 or 800:

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There is no logic to have absolutely the same weapons from gameplay perspective and also the super realistic RP simps should go play another game without prototypes where they can have such levels of RP simping in a game with prototype weapons this is not possible since there is no combat doctrine for prototype weapons and they don’t have combat doctrine since they are not use in combat
 there is some exceptions but many prototype weapons didn’t had standard combat doctrine settings. They can RP and play by their combat doctrine if they wish but I dont see it happening in Enlisted so no one is playing like the combat doctrine suggest neither vehicle or weapons are set on a combat doctrine suggested settings.

From a gameplay perspective this is the best solution to the weapon and from realistic perspective also since they don’t have same rate of fire. I have no idea who asked for such a big nerf of the weapon it was absolutely unnecessary and its not backed up by real evidence that type 96 and type 99 had same rate of fire.
And here a full article on the subject about Japanese sources:

Live Shot 1: Live Shooting of “Type 100 Submachine Gun and Type 96 Light Machine Gun”

The author even concluded ‘‘I think that Japan’s current neglect of weapons research is tantamount to the annihilation of culture and civilization’’

So to take in to account only some old Japanese document against US newer researches and multiple examples of Type 99 that we have firing on a higher rate of fire then 550 is just unproductive that will lead you in the long term realizing that type 96 and type 99 cant have same rate of fire.

Why Type 96 and Type 99 have different rate of fire:

''the Type 99 uses a more powerful cartridge (7.7mm) while the Type 96 uses a less powerful, lower-pressure 6.5mm round. This difference in cartridge power and design allows for the higher potential cyclic rate of fire in the Type 99, which in practice can result in more bullets on target during a burst, but the actual rate of fire would be "

So what some manual suggest how the weapon should be used it doesn’t matter since its up to the player in this game 
return the fire rate of type 99 back to normal or similar to normal !!! :nut_and_bolt:

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What would you think about a potential downtier of either the type 96 or type 99 so 1 of them can be put to better use?

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I have no desire to go on this I have suggested it many times then US wants BAR to be BR II just better return it to normal rate of fire and leave it like this since at some point they will decide to add scopes to them if they manage to fix them 
 and we have 2 LMGs BR II Type 96 can be BR II but as I said I prefer it to have a scope and be BR III.

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It was just a thought, also it’s original rpm was changed by the Devs because allegedly they had information that proved it’s rpm was that way, so if you wanted to convince them to change it back you’d need some pretty compelling evidence.

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The Evidence the devs have is suggested rate of fire nothing stopping you from adjusting it:

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So as you can see I can put it on a larger gas port its on 2 at the moment:

''the Type 99 uses a more powerful cartridge (7.7mm) while the Type 96 uses a less powerful, lower-pressure 6.5mm round. This difference in cartridge power and design allows for the higher potential cyclic rate of fire in the Type 99, which in practice can result in more bullets on target during a burst, but the actual rate of fire would be "

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But it wasn’t used like this. The weapon should have the stats of how it was intended to be used. By your logic, if the garand’s gas block was adjusted to not redirect enough gases to cycle the next round then it should be a manual firing gun. Sure a soilder could miss use a piece of equipment but that doesn’t mean that’s how all examples of that piece of equipment should be portrayed.

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Well lets use MG 42 like it should be like all general machine guns and in reality nothing stops you from doing it as you see on the videos and the weapon is not exploding should also tank transmissions brake and LMGs overheat all of them.

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What? That’s 2 very different things, if Enlisted had a overheat mechanic for infantry weapons then I’d agree that guns shouldn’t be able to fire 1000s of rounds without a malfunction, but Enlisted doesn’t have an overheat or malfunction mechanic for infantry weapons.

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Well can you run and gun with MG 42 ? How do you think ? What is more realistic adjusting my gas port that people do or shooting MG 42 alone standing with 100 rounds 


As you can see nothing stops them from doing it :
Nambu Type 99 Japanese LMG

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The standard wasn’t that the gas block should be used on setting 2. It was that it was used on setting 1. Sure there is nothing stopping you or any soilder at the time from doing it, but that’d be an exception not the rule. Sure 1 soilder might have adjusted the gas block to setting 2, but it wasn’t the standard and for that 1 soilder who used the gun with setting 2 there is probably 1000 who used setting 1 as the gun was intended to be used.

As for players running and gunning with a mg42, that’s a separate issue that had nothing to do with this debate. Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing a similar mg system to bf5 that ment big mgs had use a bipod to ads.

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So how do you think the upgrade mechanic works you are adjusting this gas port to the maximum and your rate of fire goes up and the rate of fire of type 99 will be higher then type 96 when its fully upgraded. It has exactly everything to do with this debate since its far more realistic to shoot Type 99 with adjusted gas port standing then MG 42 
 from now on MG 34 and 42 should be used with Bipod only and with second guy carrying the ammo.

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From now on you gonna use MG 42 like in post scriptum good luck firing it like you can fire type 99 since MG 42 is not light machine gun and cant be operated like one.

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Wrong, the soilder never adjusts any gas systems whilst upgrading.
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If you look at the upgrade names it’s only new parts, the soilder doesn’t adjust the gas block to get a higher rpm because that’s not how the gun was intended to be used.

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its ridiculous you are out of arguments:

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Your the one who’s resorting to insults, just because it can be adjusted doesn’t mean it was by soilders at the time.

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Im not really you are not providing arguments at all no point continuing its like talking to a wall. Take some time to reflect.

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My point is that soilders weren’t trained to use it on a higher rpm so they didn’t, it doesn’t matter that it could be used at a higher rpm because they didn’t use it at a higher rpm.

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Well there is no point at all since no one is using MG 42 or many other guns or vehicles at it should be used I told you there is no point continuing since you have no valid points suggesting how can you fire MG 42 with that rate of fire from your shoulder
 if you can fire it so you can fire Type 99
 same way really
 cuz with normal rate of fire there is no problem firing Type 99 that way.

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That’s 2 separate things, the guns are given to players as they were intended to be used but players don’t have to follow the doctrines of the time. If the type 99 wasn’t used at the time with the higher rpm then it shouldn’t be presented in game with a higher rpm, it’s that simple.

In fact that’s the whole point of the M3 field modification squad, if you want a type 99 lmg with a higher rpm then suggest a field adjusted version, but the standard version should be presented how it was used.

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Well you obviously don’t have the IQ to continue the argument 
do I need to post again the WW 2 video of firing type 99:

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As you can see they have calculated it was fire with 700 rpm

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nothing stopping you from adjusting the weapon now and nothing stopped soldiers back then
this means he adjusted the rate of fire not on number 1
not on maximum probably also.

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But they didn’t adjust it back then because they weren’t taught how to use it with the higher rpm, so they didn’t.

Just because it is possible to do, it doesn’t mean that it was used that way. Sure you could adjust the gas block on a mp40 to be unable to cycle but it doesn’t mean it was the norm.

You are right about 1 thing, it is like talking to a wall.

So I’ll leave you with this. “The exception isn’t the rule” just because 1 or 2 soilders may have adjusted the gas block doesn’t mean it’s the standard configuration and Enlisted is ment to show the standard configuration in game

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