Shortcuts? There are shortcuts? I was unaware of any. Do you know which ones are? Just curious.
I wish there was a “free XP” point reserve. Much like world of tanks in a regard. Then we can use free XP to help the player get pushed over the slight small edge to unlock their current research goal.
I replaced the ‘more’ with the ‘some’ in my statement. My bad. No. Currently everything is as linear as it can be.
Understood. Soon we will have it! I have high hopes and a good outlook on the game! I wish you well and many victory’s my friend!
I too hope so. Same to you mate.
If they let you research it they should let you claim it
Yeah, it is pretty confusing
I think it is fine the way it is.
Players who are just starting out in the game need to grind the entire tree to get high tier gear.
So the OP’s proposal would only be for prior players like us, but I think it is unfair that we can pass on the low Tier grind forever.
Also, low tier gear can be had for about 7500 silver and is not that expensive. The price is such that you can purchase it after a few matches.
Grind all your gear.
I’ve said this before already but no it’s really not:
Hell, afaik not even Warthunder has implemented their research tree in such a harsh and strict way…
Exactly, its like just because a player reached level 10 on Normandy shouldn’t allow them to unlock all the content in the pacific and Tunisia.
Or even just being level one in Berlin Axia would unlock basically 80% of the total content of the game.
The currently system is a nice compromise, the gain of Silver is only extremely small.
I don’t mind having to unlock things so much - it’s the being forced to buy what you’ve unlocked before you can progress, even if you don’t want it. My silver is dwindling fast!
No, YOU WOULD STILL need to grind and research and purchase everything low tier regardless, but for people such as myself who are all high tier high campaign levels for Berlin and Normandy, how is it fair to me and the countless other players similar to myself to have to grind and restart a tech tree? That doesn’t mean I’m going to be using low tier equipment, it doesn’t mean I’m going to skip over using equipment, I won’t even be using it in the first place. I can research tier 1 equipment while still being in BR5, I can research tier 5 equipment while being in BR1. Your point is invalid. If you are able to research it, you NEED to be able to purchase the items. I would like to be compensated for my time playing each campaign and for all of the equipment I have to research and buy to be able to continue with where I left off a month ago. It’s absolutely absurd that you believe restrictions of any regard will protect or prevent low BRs from getting shredded by veterans who have lots of experience.
I understand where you stand and I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is that it’s unacceptable and unfair to treat a primary player base in a way that causes absolute frustration.
I have a new one. New players have to grind everything, so we have to grind low tier gear too.
Yes, I have a new one. New players have to grind everything, so we have to grind low tier gear too.
And it is not a big hassle.
I play the US faction and after the merge the tree was almost all grind done. But I still wanted to play America, so I did and the XP and silver kept accumulating.
Truck and Corsair were added in a patch a while ago, but those were also unlocked instantly with the accumulated points. I no longer have anything to unlock in America, but only XP and Silver continue to accumulate.
Also, Germany was untouched by the low tier that was in Moscow as I had only fully grinded Stalingrad and Berlin. So I made a low BR preset and continue to grind, playing around with low tier gear, but that is about to end.
You guys will probably continue to play with your favorite faction anyway, so it won’t be much trouble to grind low tier gear. Just spend your unused experience and silver there.
I’m not sure what you mean by the term “hole can be made”. If you have already finished grind, when a new gear is added, you just grind the added gear.
My friend, I don’t have time to grind out all of the Stalingrad and Moscow “low tier gear” that I didn’t unlock, I played Moscow to campaign level 9 and that was just right before the merge. Why should I have to grind equipment for a tech tree when I already have the BR5 items except the final items such as Tiger II and STG44. Telling me it’s not a big deal is telling someone who writes books that their draft was burned and it’s not a big deal. I spent a lot of time and effort playing and winning, losing and dying to get where I was at. I’m being punished for what I have accomplished and played for. Players prior to the merge should be able to unlock items that were in the campaigns they had focused on if they have not completed said items.
e.g. You are currently researching a Tier 5 tank, almost even finished; new Tier 4 tank gets added; now you have to research that tank first.
e.g You are currently researching the VG1-5, almost finished with it. DF decides to restructure the tree and put the VG1-5 into Tier 3 since it’s BR3.
Now you have to research all other rifles from Tier 2 and 3 first before you can continue with the VG1-5.
The premise is that the merge has a new grind mechanism.
All players need to grind low tier gear and complete the tree before they can grind high tier. This is the same for legacy players.
However, as a preferential treatment for having played legacy, some of the gear that had already been grinded could skip the grind, and assets that had already been acquired would not be taken away. But the preferential treatment only goes so far.
For example, it is unfair to new players to ignore up to 4 and use 5 as a starting point just because they only play Berlin and have tier 5 gear. There is no preferential treatment there.
What you all are saying is that we should give more preferential treatment to new players.
I think they are already getting enough preferential treatment, which is why I think it is unnecessary.
And it is odd that you are whining about the grind of lower tier gear now when you have unlocked higher tier gear. That can be had for low XP and cheap silver.
If you play your favorite faction, it will come unlocked before you know it.
If you don’t have that much time to play, then just take your time and don’t rush.
The high tier experience is not on top of the low tier games. Bolt-action rifles have the allure of bolt-action, and semi-autos have the allure of semi-autos.
Put down the StG44 and enjoy the lower tier grind and lower BR games.
I did and finished grind most of the unplayed German Tier 1~2 before Christmas. By daily battle passes and events.
Again, even if you grind high tier, you still need to grind low tier.
It is unfair to skip that part and move on.
That means you need to grind past gear, not just Tier 5. This needs to be done whether new gear is added or not.
As long as you play, you will accumulate XP and silver, so the only “hole” you will have is if you don’t play at all.
IMO I believe that most legacy players who play actively will finish all their grind by next spring.
It is really not a big problem. It doesn’t take much to unlock low tier gear. If you enjoy this game on your days off, you can unlock several low tier gears. So I don’t understand people screaming about this stuff.
Are they too lazy or just don’t want to play the game?
Even if the devs add a fix to “permanently skip old tiers”, it will be a feature that will never be used again once the legacy players are done filling in the tree.
That seems like a waste of work to me for the devs.
If devs are going to devote their limited abilities and resources, I think they have more important things to do than such a waste of time. Like fixing bugs.
I am sorry but are you not reading what I am saying?
Forget legacy players for a moment. Forget players who have completed all of their grind.
Anytime someone is still researching something and anything in the tree order before changes players have to abandon their current research for a while. I gave two examples where this can happen.
This is going to actively hurt new players for the rest of the games life span.
And once we ignore the pre-merge players there is no reason to keep the requirement in. There is absolutely no benefit to it.
I am willing to bet that DF will remove it at some point. I have no clue why DF thought it was necessary to include to begin with but as you said, a lot of them will have completed their research trees anyway, and another chunk will just have stopped playing at some point.
No reason to keep it in for the few legacy players who’d still be affected by it.
lol, this of course depends on how much spaghetti their code is but I’d be surprised if removing something as simple as that would take more than 5 minutes.
They just have to get rid of the error message and let you proceed with buying the item.
I of course read your post and replied to it.
I didn’t mention the “holes” you mentioned because I thought you were giving examples of “holes” that either don’t happen very often or are not particularly problematic.
But if you want me to mention them, I can comment again.
This is not factually correct.
When the M3 lee is added, it could be skipped if it is stored in a folder and finished grind of the grants.
Also, if it is not added to the folder, you can still continue researching Tier 5 tanks in your example and the progress will not be reset.
You could finish the grind for the tier 4 tanks and then continue research on the tier 5 tanks.
Do so. That is the way things are.
To begin with, do you think “tree reconfiguration” will happen more often in the future?
This time, the timing of the merge and the major update coincided, and the technical tree was adjusted based on feedback from the merge. But do you really think that next month or the month after that we will see a new major update or a major change in the technical tree?
If DF can add content with such frequency, this game is a serious AAA title.
It won’t happen.
After all, you are saying things are “a problem” based on the premise that you want to skip lower tiers.
I am of the opinion that in order to grind the higher tier, you should grind the lower tier. Since we are crossing paths from there, I don’t need to go into detail on the example of the hole you gave, I just say “grind the lower Tier first”.
Are you in the development room at Darkflow and know all about Enlisted’s code?
Are you an experienced programmer and an expert?
If you are an expert, then you would not say something as careless as “I can do this simple thing in 5 minutes” for a program you do not even know the source code for.
It is common sense not to talk about what you don’t know, no matter how simple it may seem.
This statement pretty much takes away the logical credibility of your opinion. 
Not everything will be foldered. I am sure their goal is to eventually make every tree as full as the german one. Other countries often only have a single weapon in its tier. No way they are just going to folder additional weapons into it.
And it is downright impossible for new types of items. Case in point, the new APC.
I was not saying my progress would be reset. I was saying that instead of getting to play with my desired tank “soon” I am now thrown way back in my progress and have to grind the other one first, so I have to play more matches than anticipated. So instead of feeling happy about new content it will instead be a source of disappointment for the few players that happen to be affected.
It won’t happen often but players have already complained about the unintuitive nature of having BR X weapons in Tier Y.
It’s not unlikely that a somewhat huge restructuring will come at some point and bring each item into its proper tier.
Let’s get this straight, I am not whining or complaining. Yes, I would profit from a removal and, yes, I am a bit aggrevated at having to now grind more than 300000XP to finish researching my “almost finished” FG42.
But I can deal with that.
My point was that at some point in the future, when the merge chaos has settled down and legacy players are not the majority anymore, it makes no sense to keep the requirement.
This is really not a personal issue for me.
Please, usually I’d be right with you at dismantling armchair programmers saying game dev is super easy but this is a very reasonable educated guess.
Everything within the UI points to the requirement message only being an afterthought. I can still finish researching my premerge items although I won’t be able to buy them. I can even start researching new items if the previous one is unlocked.
Why not grey out (or “red out”) anything that I couldn’t even buy later anyway?
It seems like they intially wanted to copy the Warthunder tech trees, which doesn’t have any of these research requirements, and they only tacked that message on afterwards for whatever reason.
The 5 minute thing was a bit of a hyperbole but let’s not act like this change would significantly detract from any development time.
yea i think the problem with new tech tree is that if new stuff got add and someone like me is farming for high tier stuff it gonna halt my progress
he means the bouncing effect of a player researching his next shiny toy, just for an update to drop and having to go back in the line to unlock (and pay) the one (or ones) added before in the line, which he most probably will not want to use, so he can actually claim the one he was researching and wanted to use just minutes before, adding 120k or 150k or 80k or whatever k XP needed, plus an undisclosed amount of silver, just for the sake of it.