Real problem of Axis in Moscow(in my opinion)

[CaptainSebekel]

@Myrm1don

But it does reliably show what they use most/prefer.

Shivex also stated that vast majority of his (German) kills are from early OBT.
Someone who has a CBT insigna should be aware that the game was different one year ago.

And again it doesnt matter if Shivex likes SMGs, especially how he much liked them one year ago. Dont even know what SMGS he was/ is using and how. Just assumptions.
People can play SMGs hard and still suck but have to use them because game favours CQC idk. And it still doesnt change blueprint facts.

And nobody here represents the average Enlisted player (which I also find redundant to discuss). If Shivex represents them, they would also own 90% of the premium squads here.

@Myrm1don

There clearly is arguments to be had. this is still opinion

You are like the sole one who comes with BAs for CQC.
Thats contrair to the numerous complaints of the majority of the community about auto spam and the fact that most maps/ playable areas are as big as CoD-maps.

[CaptainSebekel]

And still both have similiar TTK.
And Im yet to see the disadvantage of high rpm for SMGs, especially with an 71 drum.

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

@CaptainSebekel

And Im yet to see the disadvantage of high rpm for SMGs, especially with an 71 drum.

Probably because 2 drum with such gluttony is small?

[Myrm1don]

@CaptainSebekel

You are like the sole one who comes with BAs for CQC.

Oh you mean this?

@Myrm1don

I prefer the kiraly (just as good up close but troll long range micro burst headshots), and quite frankly, Like my chances of landing the killshot with a kar98 first.

@Myrm1don

I never had a problem handling SMGS and LMGS with a rifle regardless of campaign. Base kit has an answer pretty much anything I can think of and as you level you get more specialized choices.

thats what I said. My opinion. This was the response.

@ISANMAA1946

If K98 is the perfect counter to PPSh, what Mosin Nagant is?

You have taken a misquote…interpreted about as badly as possible, AND made by someone else. bravo

[Shiivex]

My squads on Moscow are a few posts above. Click on the word summary on it.

Also. I own premiums I don’t use them as much. I just collect stuff.

[gastanofrizzi]

@Shiivex

Also. I own premiums I don’t use them as much. I just collect stuff.

Leand-lease me the Beretta1918 squad in moscow pretty please

[Shiivex]

I would if I could my Italian friend.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@CaptainSebekel

The 1.3 higher dmg which is still not good enough to get a higher ttk than PPSh?

I might be wrong cba to check but If I recall kiraly has whopping 0.1s faster TTK.
Which definitely justifies almost twice smaller mag & twice more recoil.

@CaptainSebekel

And Im yet to see the disadvantage of high rpm for SMGs, especially with an 71 drum.

Its been explained quite few times here, 71 drum + high rof = wasting bullets.
Considering even in this thread we have ppl who prefer pz3J over t-34, has no issues hitting t-34 weakspot across the map & use rifles in CQC with succes I guess ?
Yet, none of them apparently cannot burst fire with PPSh but always magdumps.
Idk, I guess it takes more skill & effort to burst with smg
( Which you definitely dont need to do with kiraly )

@Knyaz_Iaroslav

Probably because 2 drum with such gluttony is small?

If I recall your answer to similar issue with FG42 was use of engineer and perhaps large ammo pouch.

[CaptainSebekel]

@Knyaz_Iaroslav

robably because 2 drum with such gluttony is small?

Well.
Lets say you need 4 bullets to kill a enemy with 39m (2 hit/ 2 miss)
= 10 kills.
Lets say you need 6 bullets to kill a enemy with PPSh (3 hit/ 3 miss)
= 11-12 kills-
Okay, lets bei fair and say 7.
= 10.
(And all that under assumption that someone manages to have better burst with 39m but not same burst skills with PPSh cause logic)
So you need at least 8+ bullets/ waste at least five bullets to have a lower kill-output than a 4 bullet 39m (which I think is the most realistic and perfect result).

But if its really that hard to master PPSh, take PPD34 drum. Like 100 higher max rof than 39m or is that also too skill-required now?

Anywa lets cut the crap.
Dont nerf Soviet SMGs.
Just revert (MG) dispersion “update” nobody wanted and was and is still a lazy “balance” idea from Heroes and Generals and improve the stupid bipods. Germans come back and Soviet and German autists can spam the sit out of each other with drums and MG34s (how it was in the old days).
And give the F1 HEAT (and maybe fix the anti-tank ammo of the T-28).
Easy-peasy.

[CaptainSebekel]

@Myrm1don

You have taken a misquote…interpreted about as badly as possible, AND made by someone else. bravo

You u-turn so often now, that I dont even really know anymore what you are saying or said in the past except that the Soviets are better but you still prefer Germans (a statement which is fine for me). Kind of makes me hard to believe you.
So yeah. Sorry that I lose patience because you need new arguments because the old ons are memes (new ones are still memes I guess).

[CaptainSebekel]

@Shiivex

y squads on Moscow are a few posts above. Click on the word summary on it.

That wasnt my point. Rather that your stats etc. are mostly based on battles from last year (at least Germans). Even if you didnt change much there equipment-wise, e.g,. the MG-34 was different one year ago.

@Shiivex

lso. I own premiums I don’t use them as much. I just collect stuff.

Well. I see have some in your squad (looks like I am not the sole one who loves the SKS) and even if I didnt state that.
Using premium squads is actually rare. The most common squads I saw so far were the bikes, AS-44, Russian M4 and the Mathilda. At best 20% have premiums, including Russians.
I just dont see any reasons to use my stats as arguments. Not because I am a noob, but rather because I play different, dont spam autos and prefer historical loadouts (though I make exceptions with BA-11 and SKS) and Moscow Allies are 80% made by old OBT battles where matches were different (and better).

[Myrm1don]

The u turn is in your head. How do you not get that. Because what you thought I said and what I actually said isn’t the same.

At no point have I changed from these sentiments. I prefer the kiraly, I like my chances with the the kar98 and rifles in general, I wouldn’t trade my German equipment for anything (except il2).

Man up, admit that perhaps you misunderstood and move on.

[CaptainSebekel]

@Myrm1don

Because what you thought I said and what I actually said isn’t the same.

@Myrm1don

I dont think the soviets have better stuff, just a few items that are easier to use well. Id take a Kiraly over a PPD any day. same goes for Panzer IV (in the role I see its value, infantry support)

@Myrm1don

f I am being completely honest, I would say that okay sure, they are “generally” superior in armored and air support and some small arms (noob on noob), But after you reach a certain proficiency with their German counter parts, its doesn’t count for much…or anything. I wouldn’t trade any of my equipment for the russians (except stuka for IL 2, and even then that doesnt matter one you have BF110)

Schnarch 3.0

[Myrm1don]

@CaptainSebekel

f I am being completely honest, I would say that okay sure, they are “generally” superior in armored and air support and some small arms (noob on noob), But after you reach a certain proficiency with their German counter parts, it doesn’t count for much…or anything. I wouldn’t trade any of my equipment for the russians (except stuka for IL 2, and even then that doesnt matter once you have BF110)

wheres the U turn, wheres the mention of CQC, wheres the mention of kar98 perfect counter to ppsh, where’s the specific naming of equipment or situations, wheres the mention of average joe.

2 Dimensional thinking. Definition: These individuals can see facts, but truth eludes them because the facts are generally considered without context

forget everything and this is the only thing you need to understand. As a member of the playerbase, in my Opinion I find German equipment better and at least offered evidence I actually “play” axis Moscow. I do not subscribe to perceived “popular opinion” and it does not speak for all. That is not up to interpretation, it is opinion and I don’t claim it undeniable fact. That is all

[Shiivex]

I find the German weapons better too.
Always did. But that’s just my humble opinion on the stupid way I play the game.

T50s and t34s are as good as my stuka next spawn.but anyway. The only weapon I trully enjoy Alot is the avs. Since I started to use avts on Stalingrad I find them more and more amazing evetime.

Besides that no. Rather play with axis weapons on that campaign.

[Knyaz_Iaroslav]

@CaptainSebekel

Well.
Lets say you need 4 bullets to kill a enemy with 39m (2 hit/ 2 miss)
= 10 kills.
Lets say you need 6 bullets to kill a enemy with PPSh (3 hit/ 3 miss)
= 11-12 kills-
Okay, lets bei fair and say 7.
= 10.

Kiraly has more mags.

@CaptainSebekel

Just revert (MG) dispersion “update”

Dispersion is evil, it must be eradicated.

@CaptainSebekel

And give the F1 HEAT

Better change to pz4f2

[CaptainSebekel]

@Myrm1don

wheres the U turn,

At first, the Soviets are worse/ not better. Then they are suddenly better but weapon-wise only noob vs noob and could be “countered” later (and now drums and high rof is evil).

And smartbutt. Planes are not an counter for tankers if their tanks fail to be competitve against the others side tanks, especially if people have only one vehicle slot. But at least you stopped coping there.
Oh and general means overall. So yeah. Soviets are better… ehem except “some” small-arms.
Oh 2.0 and I still dont give a crap about your preferences if you admit in the same post that the Soviets are better ehm sorry “general” better.

Schnarch 4.0

@Myrm1don

kar98 perfect counter to ppsh,

@Myrm1don

ppsh about 1250 rounds per min, 20.8 per second, 2.8 bullets fired in the .1 seconds it takes 1 shot from a rifle with no travel time to down you. best aim for the head

@Myrm1don

say that most players dont get better than 10-20% accuracy,

(With that accuracy any BA is better as player would have it easier getting the OHK than spamming an entire drum magazine to get the 7 hits where they need 3 to kill someone. Dunno how those people can kill anyone with the MP28).

@Myrm1don

wheres the mention of average joe.

Well. According to your stats whatever about Joe, the average Enlisted player ehm Joe shouldnt leave the house without an helmet or has an stroke while playing. At least that would explain that he manages to have a average accuracy of 10-20% or needs 10+ bullets to kill someone with an drum SMG but not with box.

@Myrm1don

evidence I actually “play” axis Moscow.

“Play”.
You already make fun of yourself or what?

@Myrm1don

not subscribe to perceived

And it was hilarious.

No. Soviets SMGs are worse. Okay, Soviet SMGs ehm “some guns” are better noob vs. noob. No wait. Drum and high rof is evil and people/ newbies have aim of people with an IQ lower than 70. And rifle shots are faster and people aim so bad that they have higher chances killing someone with BA in CQC simply cause of RNG.
Germans tanks are better. Okay, they suck in basically anything compared to an T-34/ Soviets are “generally” better but look. I can camp with an Panzer IV and thats make them overall good in “Infantry support”. And yeah. I know this is totally balanced if one sides needs planes and AT stuff to kill T-50s and T-34s without aiming for buggy weakspots, while even and T-26 can pen an Panzer IV or J1 with ease
This is balance you know.

Dunno why nobody wants to play the Germans. Too balanced I guess. They have tanks which sucks against Soviet ones, need planes with paper armor to kill them, have SMGs which are better because Grandmaster Skill said that high rof and drums are actually bad… right after he said that Soviet smgs are newbie-friendlier sorry “general” better (dunno how the Soviets survive Berlin). They have machine guns with worse dispersion which is actually a advantage now and two cool guns which are locked behind level 30+ which you need to reach.

@Myrm1don

popular opinion

Moscow Axis is empty most of the time.
Guess because its forbidden to play Nazis in Motherland Russia.

Yeah. You also head to the marketplace of your town and yell that the jews are poisining your water because the popular opinion thinks they dont?

@Myrm1don

is opinion and I don’t claim it undeniable fact.

@Myrm1don

reliably show what they use most/prefer.

@Myrm1don

Thats the paper. Now wheres the in practice.

@Myrm1don

So lets be 100% clear about that. “ON PAPER THEY LOOK SUPERIOR”. Seems to be the only thing you are interested in so FACT (wasnt in dispute

@Myrm1don

Paper is a far cry from actually being superior

@Myrm1don

Not showing that overwhelming sentiment of superiority.

But well. You keep forgetting that e.g. Shivex stats are mostly based on performance from spring 2021.
Muh facts from OBT release 2021 clear show that the game is balanced in 2022. I mean yeah. It sounds stupid but also dont forget that Shivex is not representing the whole community and according to myself people in this game have aim of an toaster so its even more reliable to use.

[Myrm1don]

…youre a bit thick aren’t you? ah well gave you a fair go. into the list with TUS.

[CaptainSebekel]

You are a good meme source too.
At least I get bunch of likes for the drum jokes.

[TUSUPOLISI69]

@Knyaz_Iaroslav

Kiraly has more mags.

Well when you put it that way, It indeed is better to have alot of mags & mag capacity so you can reload much more often. Perhaps this is why M38 was added at sametime with PPsh.
Just out of curiosity are you as well going to claim BA is bestestest weapon in the game since you get to reload it after each shot ?

Ironicly, Mg34 was by far superior to DP27 because
A) It has bigger belt / mag ( Massive 3 more bullets )
B) Has more rof

For exact same reasons im quite sure you were moaning how OP the germut premium MG squad is.
( Ofc im sure you did it because you definitely main germans and dont want soviets to suffer )