Question - 50 cal vs pumas

greetings everyone.

today i have a question.
i was going to report this " issue / bug " or whatever.
but i’m not too sure about it for two reasons.

the first one being, i remember from war thunder, that shermans were able to penetrate the puma with just 50 cals.

but, the issue is, is that possible? like, somewhat historical accurate?

and second of all, what are your feedbacks about it, ( you like the current way where a 50 cal cannot pen the puma? do you think that it should be a thing? )

because i don’t like fixing or changing something that later on down the line, the community will hate if something changes about this topic.

cheers.

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I don´t think we should have puma in the first place to fulfill frontline job as tank role.

If it is accurate, it should be a thing at least from sides, but then I´m worried about how it will affect balance, and turning previous bully into sufferbus is not erasing the problem

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Sd.Kfz. 234/2

Armor type rolled steel
Body forehead (top), mm / deg. 30/35 °
Body forehead (middle), mm / deg. 15/70 °
Body forehead (bottom), mm / deg. 30 / 30-55 °
Hull board (top), mm / deg. 8/30 °
Hull board (bottom), mm / deg. 8/30 °
Body feed (top), mm / deg. 10/22 °
Body feed (bottom), mm / deg. 10/40 °
Bottom, mm 5
Hull roof, mm 6
Tower forehead, mm / deg. 30/20 °
Tower board, mm / deg. 14.5 / 25 °
Tower feed, mm / deg. 14.5 / 25 °

M1921 Browning machine gun AP round

The AP round was put into use in the M1921 Browning machine gun. This gun was later developed into the M2HB Browning which with its .50 caliber armor-piercing cartridges went on to function as an anti-aircraft and anti-vehicular machine gun, capable of penetrating 0.9 inches (23 mm) of face-hardened armor steel plate at 200 meters (220 yd), (1 inch (25 mm) of rolled homogeneous armor at the same range, and 0.75 inches (19 mm) at 547 yards (500 m).

So it is possible to penetrate AC Puma with AP round of Browning MG

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Hardening of the hull of the Swiss Pz. 68.
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Ps.
I know it’s off topic but it’s cool as hell (you get the joke?) so I wanted to share it.

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It is realy cool, hardened whole tank omg :+1:

Also this is simple relative armor calculator

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It is possible off course

  1. Cal had about 25mm of armour penetration

Puma has about 10-15mm of side armour

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good.
thanks to all of you.
than i will report this issue.

EDIT:

turns out that you can actually pen pumas with 50 cal already.

unfortunally, in my first testing, i just encountered a puma being a puma, and eating all bullets with no registration.

sorry guys.
thanks anyway.

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I don’t remember that being possible in War Thunder.

But speaking of face-hardening, the .50 could pen the Ha-Go, which irl it couldn’t because of face-hardening.

Many thin armours of all nations were hade very hard - not “face” hardened - that is just a hard layer on the outside - but hard all the way through.

The theory was that they didn’t have enough depth the defeat anything by ductile fracture, so you make it as hard as possible.

The difference is evident between the USA M3 and M5 halftracks - the thickness was the same at 1/4" (6mm) but the M3 used hardened armour, the M5 homogenous - and rifle caliber AP bullets could penetrate it at 300 yards (270m) vs 200 (180) for the M3, and the M5 was only ever “limited standard” for hte US, most being sent to allies.

Cool (sic) photo - it is of course a Swiss Panzer 68 from 1977… shame they didn’t have colour photography when they were making 300mm thick krupp cemented plates for battleships! :wink:

This is a 400,000lb armour ingot - that’s 180 tons/tonnes…

image

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How common was 50cal AP being issued to all tanks? I realize nowadays all US vehicles carry belts of AP but I’m curious how common it was during WWII.

.50 was antimaterial from the getgo so I would assume it was always standard.

As far as I am aware most .50cal MGs were loaded with standard ball ammo both on tanks and on planes. Anti-air and planes later got incendiary rounds, or incendiary tracer rounds, while tanks received armor piercing incendiary and armor piercing incendiary tracer rounds, before receiving a limited supply of full armor piercing rounds.