Sorry what??
Pz IV F2 production started in March 1942, and reached the front obviously later.
That’s way beyong the Battle of Moscow and closer to Stalingrad where F2s were still in low numbers.
F2 has absolutely no place in Moscow.
So does the T-50 which was deployed in leningrad. But here we are. And the Tank divisions that fought in Moscow and Smolensk did recieve the F2s when they were in service on the Front between Moscow Voronezh and Stalingrad.
T-50 at least existed by the time Battle of Moscow happened.
Pz IV F2 didn’t exist then.
I don’t think any of the French tanks would make a good Premium for Moscow…
Despite what ppl may think those tanks (Char, Somua, etc…) were tested by the Germans after the French campaign, and they were found to be quite inadequate to what the Germans had in mind as front line Panzers.
The fact that none were used for Barbarossa, and only the Czech tanks were used to supplement the Panzerwaffe is testament to that. Especially given the German’s knack of reusing whatever equipment they captured - in the case of French equipment their artillery tractors and supply trucks.
I think some were used in anti-partisan warfare here and there, but even there their performance was lackluster.
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On 18 November 1941 the German Ordnance Department issued Krupp and Rheinmetall-Borsig with an order to develop a long barrelled 7.5cm gun. By March 1942 the gun was ready to be installed in new tanks, and the last 175 Panzer IV ausf Fs were built with the new gun.
And depending on source, battle of moscow ended april -42.
Fits just fine.
The first F2s were produced in March, they reached the front by summer, there were still very few of them by the time Stalingrad happened.
German attack was stopped by end November. In December the Red Army started counter attacking.
There were no F2s ever during the battle of Moscow.
By March 1942 the gun was ready to be installed in new tanks, and the last 175 Panzer IV ausf Fs were built with the new gun.
And depending on source, battle of moscow ended april -42.
fits the timeline so can be added.
The first F2s were produced in March, they reached the front by summer, there were still very few of them by the time Stalingrad happened.
German attack was stopped by end November. In December the Red Army started counter attacking.
There were no F2s ever during the battle of Moscow.
timeline
as t-50 is added with same logic, it can be added. Regardless did it see its first combat 1995.
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Time travel
Pz IV F2 did not exist when Battle of Moscow happened.
T-50 existed when Battle of Moscow happened and fought on the same Eastern Front.
(though it probably shouldn’t be in this campaign for balance)
By March 1942 the gun was ready to be installed in new tanks, and the last 175 Panzer IV ausf Fs were built with the new gun.
And depending on source, battle of moscow ended april -42.
January
February
March - F2 produced here
April - battle of moscow ended here
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December
Just in case you dont know rest of months either theres a full list for you.
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Just in case you don’t know how time travelling works:
Literally wiki:
The Battle of Moscow was a military campaign that consisted of two periods of strategically significant fighting on a 600 km (370 mi) sector of the Eastern Front during World War II. It took place between October 1941 and January 1942
There was no battles for Moscow when F2s started being produced.
The battles were over Rzhev, Vyazma and Demyansk
There were no F2s ever during the Battle of Moscow.
Even if they were sent directly to the front in April, that wasn’t Moscow anymore.
Theres no single date accepted by everyone as the ending date of battle of moscow.
Just in case you didnt understand what “Depending on source” means.
Fits the timeline as you can look at the list, march is before april.
Just like there werent a single T-50 in battle of moscow, but it fitted “timeline” so it was added.
The widely accepted end date is January or February at best.
T-50 was deployed before Moscow.
F2 was deployed after Moscow, even after April of the Eastern Front.
If it was widely accepted there wouldnt be such massive timeline differency for ending date.
Its quite irrelevant as it never was in moscow but because it fitted “timeline” it was added.
Irrelevant as it was made before april.
Two periods: defensive (September 30 - December 4, 1941) and offensive, which consists of two stages: the counter-offensive (December 5-6, 1941 - January 7-8, 1942) and the total offensive of the Soviet troops (7-10 January - April 20, 1942).
F2 is irrelevant because it never existed during either periods of the Battle of Moscow.
You do understand that there are other sources as well as than wikipedia ?
In fact even wikipedia gives different dates depending on which language you browse.
Except it did, ofc depending on source of ending date.
That’s not from wikipedia.
Soviet Encyclopeadia. Which authors know what they are talking about. And there’s no reason to propagandize any data.
Provide your source that F2 was used in the Battle of Moscow then.
Even by April there are no signs of them ever being deployed on the Eastern Front in general.
The earliest evidence I’ve ever seen is dated May 1942 in Crimea, so long after Battle of Moscow and not Moscow.
Yeah, if soviets are known for something its honesty.
Not at all sarcasm.
It wasnt just like T-50 wasnt either.
Which I already made pretty fking clear.
It FITS the TIMELINE just like T-50, do I need to make coloring book for you about this subject ?
Of course not.