Panzer IV J is broken

I finally got the Panzer IV J and I have to say this tank is broken… List of observations…

  1. Tiger or Panther tracks on it?
  2. 75mm can’t pen a stuart front glacis or mantlet at 300m? - Historically inaccurate
  3. The 75mm L/43 was designed to knock out KV1’s and T-34’s at 800m…
  4. The turret could traverse 120 degrees in 29 seconds…

The Panzer IV was a glass cannon, and all that grinding to get a sub par Tank that gets smashed by everything and can’t fight its way outta a wet paper bag seems lame. It can’t turn, Panzer III is better, it can’t kill, and it can’t take a hit… This is all historically inaccurate as this was the most mass produced German Medium tank for a reason. It could do the job on the cheap. The one in-game can’t do anything well…

Please either replace it with a Panther (at the ranges in-game a Sherman could pen the sides, so this would be balanced), or fix it to at least Historical accuracy…

Cheers…

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Well, Stuart is the most broken tank in the game currently!

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In what way is it broken
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Most broken damage model!

Sure why not… I’m not arguing balance, I’m arguing historical accuracy… The game should just be historically accurate and let us figure it out… I mean we should be smart enough for such a simple thing… Games back in the day did this, no balance, just accuracy…

If they “balance” everything then the games equipment is just all the same, and boring as shit…

Don’t forget the wonky tracks… Like if that’s not an indication of a neglected piece of kit ingame… Cmon…

T-34 tracks, afaik.

Armor model issues with Stuart make it tank more than it should, not nearly as bad as the Puma, though.

The 4J lost the electrical turret drive compared to the 4H, as it was actually a downgrade model to save production time/cost.

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But it had a double coupler and thus “fine” and “corse” traverse… That’s why even without power traverse it could do 120 degrees in 29. something seconds… That was the J… The crappy down grade…

I’ll have to check again, but they definitely don’t look like T-34 tracks… Nonetheless… They aren’t Panzer IV J tracks…

100% not T-34 tracks…

Maybe Tiger rail transport tracks…?

Well, Heres fine example of a scam which is PZIVJ double the price vs original and was only service In Finish Army like 10 years.

Folks, let’s remember to be respectful and constructive here… there is no place for inflammatory, insulting, derailing comments like ones that were just hidden. Steer away from that type of talk, please. Thanks.

Ostketten - These were basically a wider track than the usual track which was fitted. There were no triangular extensions (as seen on Winterketten), just a wider track. These were for use usually on the PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be found on other vehicles. When seen on the Pz IV it looks like a Panther track is installed instead.

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Is there any reference images? In 30 years I’ve never seen this on a Panzer IV, that’s all… And if it wasn’t on production models it’s kinda silly to have it in game… Serves no purpose, adds nothing but hypotheticals and silliness… It’s like when they add paper tanks… Ones that never left the drawing board, or were used in combat… There’s so many other, real ones that could be used instead, and help teach people a very little bit about history…

Like the new trend to say the Sherman was a great tank… Maybe on paper, but even the crews hated fighting in it, and there’s video of them saying so… And video of a German tanky saying how sorry he felt for those crews because they could knock em out at any range and they would catch fire right away…

It just seems silly and wasteful to have us grind so hard for such a poo tank that isn’t even accurate…

It’s not bogus, it was used for better traction in mud.

The earlier variant, winterketten, looked slightly different

It has Ostketten tracks on mate

Why? model is taken from War Thunder

Do a little more research before you start complaining about “Historical accuracy”
By 1944, the Panzer 3s and 4s where out dated and overworked. The flat armor makes it easy to pen with even a weak 75mm M3 Cannon. The added on armor and bigger guns slowed down the Panzer 4s a lot. Also its pointless to bring that the gun was made to kill Russian tanks when talking about US ones.

Those are just its normal tracks

Haven’t had this issue, and I’ve had the 4J for a week.

Its like 23 seconds in game, not much different

I don’t like what I just readed.

Those are osketten, tracks for the mud. Considering the enivorement, it’s quite obvious.

Welcome to enlisted.

Where tank damage model despite being taken from warthunder, they are complealty broken.

So yeah, m5s can’t be one shotted. You need from 3 to 5 shells.

That is because you have to upgrade it in order to increase its performance. Yikes… welcome to enlisted as well…

I used to think the same until Shermans and jumbos started to appear.

Are you serious?

How the hell is an m5, m8, Sherman supposed to pen that?

You would just bring more unbalancement.

And before you’ll call the jumbo which you have all rights to do, we indeed suggested to replace it.

In my personal experience, the j is good and bad. But nontheless it’s not hard to use. Just angle it, keep distance and fire.

Anyway, cheers.

Seems you have incorect informations, as Sherman was maybe best WW2 tanks with losses of crew less than 3%. And from those 3% at least half of them were when they were out of tank. It had stabilised gun, something Germans could dream about, it 75mm werent best guns, but for what that tank had to do, aka fight soft targets 75% of time, it was great and even crews rather had 75mm than 76mm because it had better HE shells. Bro, before you go here about historical inacuracy, maybe educate more yourself. And documents are mostly inacurate, as i remember seeing one with plane battles, in every episode, every plane was best plane in WW2, well, it was not.

And here is some video of Chieftain, one of tank experts today: Myths of American Armor. TankFest Northwest 2015 - YouTube

Btw. Panzer IV J is worst version of tank as it was made to be most cheap.

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The best tank, if you were fighting it.

Well, There were no Tigers near June 6th but atleast one unit of Tigers were on their way there!
Says Tigers in Normandy by Wolfgang Schneider