Seeing combat has never been a prerequisite of if something should or should not be added. The rule has always been “If it existed, we can add it” and if required for balance (or if the devs feel like it), it can go in the tech tree. Otherwise, Japan would need to be hard capped to BR 2 for tanks and BR 3 for infantry weapons.
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I’d rather have m20, because it wouldn’t be yet another bland copy paste…
I like new stuff.
(Also, got fond memories of Kubel hunting with it, in H&G)
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not even mentioning japan
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you forgot the reason they got all that those prototypes the Japanese had no equivalent infantry weapons to rebut what the US did at the time to deal with automatic rifles and high capacity SMGs and heavy armor in my opinion they should have been caped off at tier 3 and when I am talking about Soviet equipment I am only talking about the AS44 which some how made its way into the base game despite it being a premium originally and not to mention unnecessary as the Fedorov was already a better gun
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You can make the same argument you make for Japan as you make for the US here, they have no counterparts to things like the Panzerfaust 100 that saw service, and so they need prototypes and service weapons that didn’t see combat. Furthermore, the M20 was already in production by the end of the war as a direct successor to the M9 so it’s the logical development of the AT line. There is no argument against adding the M20 because the US does need top-tier AT weapons and it was already the M20 by 1944, meaning it absolutely existed before the cutoff date and seeing as it did see service later, would make far more sense than something like the M18 which had it’s order cancelled by the end of the war.
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I think all factions should get access to Panzerfaust100 for historical accuracy - but also each faction should get their own big launcher as a side grade which for Germany would be the Panzerschreck and for the other factions could be their own prototype launcher.
That way each faction has something unique - but you would still see historical weapons in the mix.
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Origin
United States
Type
Rocket launcher (reloadable)
Entered service
1950
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Here’s a little rundown of how the US designation system works. X is for experimental prototype. Like mock ups or rough drafts. T is for the prototypes for testing. Take for example the T20E1. It’s a prototype. Now the M designation, well, M is production model. So the M20 was designated as such in 1944, meaning it was in production in late 1944. Regardless of when it “entered service,” it was in production in wartime
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But still saw production in late 1944
M20
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That’s the most important milestone - when something entered service.
Otherwise, technically speaking, Me 163 Komet first flew in 1941 - should Barbarossa era see jet planes then? No.
Technically speaking IS-3 was developed during WW2. Should it be fighting in Berlin? No.
Technically speaking the Nuke was used in WW2. So battle of Dunkirk Uno reverse card - the allies nuke Berlin? Obviously no.
The year/month something actually got adopted and entered service matters greatly and is exactly the reference point that allows continuity and iconic battles feeling.
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BUT
Did any of those enter full scale production?
IS-3 did. Used after the war.
RPD did, used after the war.
Nukes, I don’t know what’s Serial for nukes but pretty much after WW2 both US and USSR were stockpiling them.
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Took USSR a few more years. We had a monopoly on nukes for a minute
And really? The IS-3 saw full scale production in WWII? Full assembly lines and mass production and everything?
How else do you produce tanks?
125 in may, 140 in June, 265 in August 1945, while WW2 is still going on.
However, it’s not a tank that needs to appear on WW2 battlefields.
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I’m just surprised the Soviets had the capacity to put something that heavy into full scale production. Especially considering they can’t even produce their current tanks at all
Dude, they made the most tanks in the war. During the war, they made more than 1000 T44s, while he did not take part in the battles, he was only near the front on trials
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Matter of fact, the USSR came out with the best tanks at the end of WW2.
T-54 was in testing by spring 1945
As well as IS-3
And T-44
While the Germans were going crazy with Jagdtiger and Maus, and the Americans only had 90mm M3 available all the way till M60 Patton, the best the Brits had by 1945 was still the 17-pounder.
At the same time the Soviet tanks have generally switched to 122 mm and much better armor such as on IS-3.
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If the allies somehow get their hands on a panzerfaust It would be stupid if the Germans don’t get their own belt fed MG of 100 rounds or 150 and they should get the M20 at this point.
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So wait was it in production or was it in testing? Those are two entirely different things