New campaign suggestion - September campaign 1939

Recently I see a lot of suggestions for new campaigns - Burma, Pacific, France 1940 etc. So, here is my suggestion, a bit unusual and controversial, but a suggestion nontheless - September campaign of 1939.
Note: hidden parts are for those who don’t believe in Russian government’s version of history. And if you want to argue about it here, please don’t, I’ve already had an argument about it on this forum.

1. Weapons

1.1. Pistols

1.1.1.

USSR

  • Nagant M1895 - Double action variant.

  • Korovin TK

  • TT-33

  • Mauser C96

1.1.2. Germany

  • Luger P.08

  • Walther PPK

  • Walther P.38

  • Mauser C96

1.1.3. Poland

  • Nagant wz. Ng 30 - Polish version of the Nagant revolver, the double action variant, produced for the Policja Państwowa (State Police).
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  • Menz Liliput Mod. 1925 - Pocket pistol chambered for the .25 ACP (6.35×16mmSR) cartridge. It was exported to many countries, including Poland - those exported here were named Orzeł (Eagle).
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  • Vis wz. 35 - Polish service pistol in 9mm Parabellum. based on the Colt M1911 and Browning Hi-Power, but with some unique features, such as a decocker on the left side of a slide. Some shoulder stocks was produced for them.


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  • Mauser C96 - Some were used by Polish officers before the Vis was adopted.

1.2. Submachine guns

1.2.1.

USSR

  • PPD-34 - First production variant of Degtyaryov’s SMG. The main functional difference is slightly lower fire rate - about 700 rpm.

  • PPD-34/38 - With a stick magazine - drums for them were “invented” only after Soviets saw Suomi SMGs in Finland.

  • PPK-30 - For a premium assaulter squad. It supposedly had a 30 round magazine and shot from a closed bolt, which would make it more accurate and have slightly less recoil than other Soviet SMGs.


    Here with a 20 round magazine (it’s probably the same one you can’t quite see on the photo above):
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  • PPT-28 - For the Battle Pass. It was a later model of the Tokarev’s SMG you can get in the Moscow premium assaulter squad. I include it here just because it looks cool (and I just like those early Tokarev SMGs).
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1.2.2. Germany

  • MP 38

  • MP 35/I

  • ZK-383

  • EMP 36 - For a premium assaulter squad. It was a prototype that directly led to the creation of the MP 38.
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    Its magazine well was tilted forward and slightly to the left:
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  • KP vz. 38 - For the Battle Bass. It was a Czech SMG prototype chambered in .380 ACP (9×17mm) and fed either from a 36 round box magazine or from a 96 round drum. Since it uses a rather weak cartridge and has fire rate of 500 rpm, I suggest the drum magazine version.

1.2.3. Poland

  • pm Mors wz. 39 - Polish submachine gun chambered for 9×19mm Parabellum. From the outside it looks like Erma EMP with a vertical magazine, but from the inside it’s weird to say the least - it had a pneumatic rate reducer, which resulted in a low fire rate of around 450 rpm (similar to the MP 34 (ö) in the game), but the most interesting part of the Mors SMG is the reload. After firing of the last round, the bolt stayed in the rear and the magazine catch was released, but the magazine didn’t fall, because it was being held by a flat spring and after inserting the magazine, the bolt dropped on the sear, so to reload you would just pull the magazine out, put the new one in and continue firing, so in game it would be very short - around 1.3-1.5 seconds. It also had a folding monopod in the grip, so it could have the same recoil reduction while prone or deployed as the ZK-383. It had a rather small magazine - only 24 rounds.
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  • Thompson M1928 - Used by the Policja Państwowa (State Police) and Korpus Ochrony Pogranicza (Border Protection Corps). This variant is in the shooting range on Normandy Allies.

  • Suomi KP/-31 - Used by the Policja Państwowa.

  • Mors (prototype) - For the Battle Pass. It had a fire rate of around 750 rpm, magazine in the foregrip and a fire selector. Magazine capacity also was 24 rounds.

1.3. Bolt action rifles

1.3.1.

USSR

  • Mosin M1907

  • Mosin M91/30

  • Mosin M91 „Dragoon”

  • Mosin M38

  • Winchester M1895

  • Mosin-Kholodovskiy rifle - For a premium engineer squad. It was an improved version of a standard issue Mosin.
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  • Arisaka Type 38 rifle - For a premium trooper squad. Rifle variant of the gun from the Moscow engineer premium squad.

1.3.2. Germany

  • Gewehr 33/40(t)

  • Kar98k

  • Gewehr 24(t)

  • Pre-war Kar98k

  • Kar98AZ - For a premium engineer squad. Carbine variant of the Gewehr 98 rifle, used in WWI by artillery, cavalry, some snipers and shock troops.

  • Gewehr 95(ö) - For a premium trooper squad. Rifle variant of the Mannlicher M1895 from Normandy.

1.3.3. Poland

  • kbk wz. 98 - Polish Kar98AZ with a reinforced stacking rod.
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  • kbk wz. 29 - Carbine based on a Mauser 98 action. Two big differences from the Kar98k are a straight bolt handle and an open front sight.

  • kb wz. 98a - Essentially a Polish Gewehr 98 with a flat rear sight.
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  • kbk wz. 91/98/25 - That’s a weird one. Probably the best way to characterize this rifle is “Mauserized Mosin” - Mosin rifles captured after a Polish-Soviet war rechambered for 7.92×57mm Mauser, with barrels cut to 600mm, with Mauser style barrel bands and a bayonet lug.


    And here with a bayonet:
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  • KP-32 - For a premium engineer squad. Simplified wz. 29 carbine. It was made as a thesis of one of Poland’s best gun designers of the XX century - Józef Maroszek.
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  • kb Berthier wz. 16 - For a premium trooper squad. It was used by Korpus Ochrony Pogranicza. It’s a full length version of the carbine used by the Moroccan squad in Tunisia. Its French name is Berthier Mle 1907/15 M16.

1.4. Semi auto rifles

1.4.1.

USSR

  • AVS-36 - Yes, Unfortunately it has to be the AVS, since the SVT-38 was first used in a Winter War.

1.4.2. Germany

  • ZH-29 - As unhistorical as it is, it’s kinda the only option, since Darkflow already showed that it’s OK with them.

  • Mauser Gewehr 35 - For the Battle Pass. Prototype semi auto rifle by Mauser. Probably the best info about it on the internet comes from its description in Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung Koblenz:
    “G-35 Selfloading Rifle
    Manufacturer: Waffenfabrik Mauser AG, Oberndorf, Germany
    Year of production: 1935
    Short recoil-operated, locked by rotating bolthead
    Caliber: 7,92 mm, 4 grooves / RH twist
    Bbl lenght: 610 mm
    Muzzle velocity: 745 mps
    Magazine capacity: 8
    weight: 5040 g
    This SLR was designed by Altenburger and Schwenckle from Mauser Co. and sent along the Walther’s A-115 and Vollmer’s A-35 entries for the comprehensive troop testing. As it fell short of the expected reliability, service life and accuracy targets – not unlike the competitors – the program was aborted in 1938.”

1.4.3. Poland

  • kbsp wz. 38M - Polish semi auto rifle designed by Józef Maroszek. It is in the game as a weapon of an already unavailable premium Axis engineer squad in Berlin.
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  • kbsp wz. 1921 - For the Battle Pass. The first Polish semi auto rifle, it was a conversion of a Mannlicher M1890 rifle made by Zbrojownia Wojsk Polskich we Lwowie (Polish Military’s Armory in Lviv). There are only about 1.5 photos of this rifle, but one is supposedly in a warehouse of the Polish Military Museum in Warsaw.
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    And here it’s barely visible on the bottom:
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1.5. Sniper rifles

1.5.1.

USSR

1.5.2. Germany

  • Kar98k with ZF39

1.5.3. Poland

  • kb wz. 98a with a scope - I don’t think that the name of that scope is anywhere out there, but it was produced by PZO - Polskie Zakłady Optyczne (Polish Optical Works) and had a 4× magnification. Here’s the rifle, probably during the trials:
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    And here’s the scope (or rather scopes, since they’re different, but both are Polish and appear to be pre-war):
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1.6. Rifles with grenade launchers

1.6.1.

USSR

  • Mosin M91/30 with Diakonov grenade launcher

1.6.2. Germany

  • Gewehr 98 with launcher for GewehrGranate M.1917 - Since the Schießbecher was introduce in the early 40s (1942, but I’m not sure), I have to improvise here. So I came up with a german copy of the French V.B. The main difference was its bigger caliber (60mm instead of 50mm).

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1.6.3. Poland

  • kb Lebel wz. 86/93 with V.B. grenade launcher - Poland used some of the French V.B. grenade launchers along with Lebel and Berthier rifles that we got from France as military aid.

1.7. Machine guns

1.7.1.

USSR

  • Madsen

  • DP-27

  • DT-29

1.7.2. Germany

  • MG 13

  • MG 26(t)

  • MG 34

1.7.3. Poland

  • rkm wz. 15 - It’s just a Chauchat. But supposedly some of them were rechambered for the 7.92mm Mauser and converted to use rkm wz. 28 magazines. However, the only source for this is a book “Honour Bound - The Chauchat Machine Rifle” which has only couple of photos of the Polish 7.92mm Chauchat from the British MoD Pattern Room. However it has no magazine, and there is no big changes to the magwell, which suggests that it used single stack magazines. The markings on this rifle are kinda sketchy as well. As for the regular Chauchat, it is in the game in the unavailable premium machine gunner squad for Moscow Allies.


    And as for the supposed Polish modified Chauchat, here is a thread on a Polish history forum; there are photos of the gun itself and some pages from the book I’ve mentioned:
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  • rkm wz. 28 - Belgian BAR variant, FN Mle 1930, chambered for the standard Polish rifle cartridge, 7.92mm Mauser. It is available in the game for the premium machine gunner squad for Normandy Axis.

  • Lewis gun - It was used by Polish Army during the interwar period.

  • MG 15nA - For a premium machine gunner squad. Some were used by Korpus Ochrony Pogranicza. It’s a German WWI light machine gun fed from a 100 round belt. It has a fire rate of around 500 rpm.
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1.8. Antitank rifles

1.8.1.

USSR

  • PTR-39 - Pretty much the only option. It was a semi auto AT rifle chambered for the 14.5×114mm cartridge.
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1.8.2. Germany

  • PzB 38

1.8.3. Poland

  • kb ppanc wz. 35 Ur - Bolt action AT rifle designed by Józef Maroszek. It uses a scaled up Mauser action (the bolt is very similar to the one from the KP-32 mentioned above) and a detachable 4 round magazine. Chambered for the 7.92×107mm cartridge.
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1.9. Mortars

1.9.1.

USSR

  • RM-38

1.9.2. Germany

  • l.Gr.W.36

1.9.3. Poland

  • granatnik wz. 36 - 46mm light infantry mortar. It has quite an unusual construction. The elevation angle was set at 45°, and the range was changed by regulating the amount of gas that was bled of to the tube above the barrel. It was very light - half the weight of the German mortar, so the lower caliber could be compensated by the higher number of rounds carried by the mortarman.
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1.10. Flamethrowers

1.10.1.

USSR

  • ROKS-2

1.10.2. Germany

  • Flammenwerfer 35

1.10.3. Poland

  • miotacz ognia wz. 34 - There are no photos of those on the internet, and without buying one of only two books about Polish pre-war flamethrowers, I’m not really able to say anything about it. For anyone that can read Polish, here’s a Wikipedia page about it: Miotacz ognia wz. 1934 – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia

2. Engineer buildings

2.1. AA gun

2.1.1.

USSR

  • 61-K - It’s a 37mm AA cannon designed in the late 30s, based on the famous 40mm Bofors autocannon.

2.1.2. Germany

  • 3,7-cm-Flak 36/37 - As the Flakvierling mount wasn’t developed yet by 1939, I decided to go with single barrel guns of bigger caliber. This one is a 37mm AA autocannon developed by Rheinmetall.

2.1.3. Poland

  • 40 mm armata przeciwlotnicza wz. 36 - Licensed copy of the Bofors 40mm AA autocannon.
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2.2. AT gun

2.2.1.

USSR

  • 53-K - The same gun as in the Moscow campaign.

2.2.2. Germany

  • 3,7-cm-PaK 36 - It became famous as a “doorknocker” during the early days of Barbarossa, but during the September campaign it was still quite effective.
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2.2.3. Poland

  • armatka 37 mm wz. 36 - Yes, it was called armatka which literally means “little cannon”. That is because of the naming system of that time in Poland; and more precisely because it was used by the infantry and cavalry, not by the artillery. It was produced in Poland under license from Bofors.
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2.3. Machine gun nest

2.3.1.

USSR

  • ** PM M1910** - Russian version of the Maxim heavy machine gun. Here’s how it should be put on the sandbag wall while retaining the iconic “artillery style” wheel base.

2.3.2. Germany

  • MG 34 - I don’t think I have to include any photos here. It should be mounted on the sandbag wall the same way as the placeholder™ MG 42 is right now.

2.3.3. Poland

  • ckm wz. 30 - It’s an unlicensed copy of the Browning M1917 heavy machine gun chambered for 7.92mm Mauser. As it was mounted only on tripods, it could be built with crescent shaped sandbag wall in front of the tripod.

  • ckm wz. 25 Hotchkiss - For a premium engineer squad. Because why not? In the interwar period Poland suffered from having a lot of unstandardized equipment, so let’s represent that. The wz. 25 was a licensed copy of the French Hotchkiss Mle 1914 HMG. It was rechambered for the standard Polish 7.92mm Mauser round and had slightly shorter barrel.

3. Vehicles

3.1. Cars

3.1.1

USSR

  • GAZ-61 - It’s a weird one, because it isn’t a convertible. Although judging by the fact that in the Moscow campaign, which ended in the very beginning of 1942, Soviets have the GAZ-67, a car from late 1943 (first vehicle was made on 23 September 1942), we might as well see it in 1939.
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3.1.2. Germany

  • VW Typ 62 Kübelwagen - Prototype of the famous Typ 82. The main difference is different shape of the front (You can see that on the photo, Typ 82 is in the background).

3.1.3. Poland

3.2. Motorcycles (rider squad vehicles)

3.2.1

USSR

  • TIZ-AM-600 - Pre-World War II heavy motorcycle produced in the USSR by the TIZ factory. It was based on the British BSA 600 Sloper.
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  • PMZ-A-750 - For a premium rider squad. It was a pre-World War II heavy motorcycle produced in the USSR by the PMZ factory. I chose this one for the premium squad because it has three seats, so unlike the one above, it can be used by a full premium rider squad.


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3.2.2. Germany

3.2.3. Poland

  • Sokół 1000 - The heaviest Polish pre-war motorcycle manufactured by the PZInż works, for both civilian and military use by the Polish Army. Production of the model 1000 started in 1933 and lasted until the outbreak of World War II in 1939. Two main variants were made - with the rkm wz. 28 in a standard “civilian type” sidecar, and with the ckm wz. 30 with the anti air stock and on the anti air tripod. The latter one would be available for a premium rider squad. And yes, soldiers on the first photo are Poles, Poland used German helmets in the interwar period.
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  • TKS - Yes, it’s a tankette. Yes, I want it to be a rider squad vehicle. That’s because of two reasons. First, I wasn’t able to find enough good tank types used by Poland in 1939 to fill out the progression - French R35/H35 armed with that 37mm peashooter is not a good idea. And second, Poland was kinda famous for using tankettes, so why not represent this? As for the vehicle itself, it’s a modernization of the British Carden-Lloyd tankette armed with the wz. 25 Hotchkiss heavy MG.
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3.3. Tanks (tanker squad vehicles)

3.3.1

USSR

  • BT-2 - First serial production variant of the BT series of tanks, armed with the 5-K 37mm cannon.

  • T-26

  • BT-7

  • T-28

3.3.2. Germany

  • Pz.II C

  • Pz.III B

  • Pz.38(t) A

  • Pz.IV C

  • Steyr ADGZ - For a premium tanker squad. It’s an Austrian armored car armed with three machine guns (but only the one in the turret would be usable, as with the rest of the vehicles) and a 20mm autocannon. It has a unique feature of having no rear - it has two driver seats and can drive with the same speed in both directions. I’m including it here because its most famous combat deployment was an attack on the Polish Post in the Free City of Gdańsk.
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3.3.3. Poland

  • TKS with nkm wz. 38FK - It’s once again a tankette, but this one is for a tanker squad and armed with an autocannon (or, as it was called during that time in Poland, heaviest machine gun). Those of you who play World of Tanks might know it from the Orlik’s Medal.
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  • Vickers 6-ton - The British interwar export hit. They were used by many countries including Poland. Polish versions have a big air intake on top of the engine compartment.
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  • 7TP - Most advanced tank used by the Polish military during the campaign. It was a development of the British Vickers 6-ton. Main differences were a new, more powerful diesel engine and a Bofors 37mm cannon adapted for tank use.
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3.4. Fighters

3.4.1.

USSR

  • I-16 Type 10 - Early variant of the I-16 with four 7.62mm machine guns and an open canopy. It could carry six 82mm rockets (with HE or HEAT warheads).

3.4.2. Germany

  • Bf 109 E-1 - One of the first variants of the Bf 109. It featured two 7.92mm MG 17 machine guns and could carry either one 250kg bomb or four 50kg bombs.
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3.4.3. Poland

  • PZL P.11c - Polish fighter aircraft, designed and constructed during the early 1930s by Warsaw-based aircraft manufacturer PZL. The “c” variant had two extra guns mounted in wings, bringing the total number of guns to four km wz. 33 machine guns.

3.5. Attackers (attacker pilot squad vehicles)

3.5.1.

USSR

  • BB-1 - It’s a bit of a stretch, but it’s the only Soviet single engine bomber/assault aircraft that was formally adopted before the September campaign, so I guess it’s the best I can do. It’s armed with five ShKAS 7.62mm machine guns, four in wings and one in a turret behind the cockpit. Most likely ordnance loadout would be probably four 100kg bombs, so that it’s not stronger than the SB 2M-100.

  • SB 2M-100 - First production model of the SB 2 equipped with two Klimov M-100 engines. It would probably carry the same loadout as the SB 2M-105 from the Moscow campaign - six 100kg bombs.
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3.5.2. Germany

  • Ju 87 B-2

  • Do 17 Z-2 - Early bomber variant of the Do 17, used in Poland. It could carry either twenty 50kg bombs (1000kg) or two 250kg bombs (500kg), I think that more likely loadout in Enlisted is probably the latter one.
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3.5.3. Poland

  • PZL.23B Karaś - It was a Polish light bomber and reconnaissance aircraft designed in the early 1930s by PZL in Warsaw. It’s armament consisted of one 7.92mm km wz. 33 machine gun in the left side of the engine cowling and two defensive .303 Vickers F machine guns, one behind the cockpit and one below the fuselage behind bomb bay. It could carry up to 700kg of bombs - six 100kg and two 50kg.

  • PZL.37B Łoś - It was a Polis medium bomber, one of the most modern of the times. Its defensive armament consisted of three 7.92mm wz. 37 machine guns: one in the nose, one in the rear upper station and one in underbelly station. The “problem” is with it’s ordnance - it could carry up to 2580kg of bombs. However, English Wikipedia says that: “Bomb load while operating from unprepared fields 880–1320 kg (1,940–2,910 lb) (8, 10 or 12 x 110 kg)”. So maybe the smallest one - eight 110kg bombs would be the one to go with here.
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4. Squads

It’s only 21 levels, 4 premium squads and 2 Battle Pass seasons, but I’m just not able to come up with anything else, since I went with “there has to be a photo” approach as I don’t think you can make an accurate model of any weapon with just a few sketches.

4.1. Progression

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4.2. Premium squads

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4.2. Battle pass weapons

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Honestly is mostly still the same.

Poland didnt have many unique firearms. Most of their weapons are based of foreign designs.

Like their BAs based on mauser.

Would rather have the pacific

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Don’t like it as much as a potential Pacific campaign. Way too much copy paste and questionable balance. Still like it better than Stalingrad though.

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I know, and I don’t want it do be added immediately. I just want it to be out there and “wait for its time”.
To be honest, I don’t think it could be added properly without completely redesigning the campaign system. I made a thread about it: Campaign rework idea. It would probably have to be a part of something weird like “War in Europe 1939-1940” theater.

Yea, balance is the hardest part here, especially with tanks and fighters. But unfortunately Poland didn’t have as much equipment as Germany and USSR

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UPDATE

For anyone that still reads this thread, I have some more info on the guns featured here that wasn’t available when I was making it:

Poland also used the French Hotchkiss H-35 and Renault R-35 tanks as well as the armored car wz. 34. But maybe someday they will finally add more and more Polish constructions to the game.

I know, I thought about including them. But I decided not to because all three of them are armed with the Puteaux SA 18 37 mm cannon, which would struggle against any other tank in the campaign - if you play War Thunder you know how bad French early war tanks are. And the other thing is that the French tanks will appear in Enlisted whenever the French campaign gets added, while the Vickers 6-ton would be unique to Poland