You used “irl” argument first so I resopnded with irl argument too. Or maybe we will ignore that things have downsides? This have never caused problems what so ever (cough cough flak mowing down infantry).
TLDR: split the game to 2 BR groups:
only BA and early SMGs
everything else
Because that’s literalry what will happen. Why use BA if you have semi auto that is straight up better. And the nest thing you will all ask is 20dmg on “semi auto wirh full auto option” that will create the 3rd group.
So we will have 3 BR gropus that can’t really overlap because one makes the other obsolete from the get go.
This is not a sandbox, this is shit. Sandbox should allow me to use any gun type I want and allow me to be effective with it. Making things obsolete is exactly the oposite of this.
If you need to make things obsolete, at least make it gradual instead of “ha ha, have this gun (type) that is better in everything than the previous one, and then another one that is even better”. Totally not a powercreep.
Because BA should be “obsolete” at high tiers, since right now there isn’t a real reason to use a semi instead of a rifle, especially because of the dispersion. It goes beyond irl arguments, it’s about game mechanics. That’s why i don’t care much if there’s uncommon things
Sorry, but that will happen no matter what. Now everyone go to br 2 or br 5, if you change the MM to 1-2, 3-4, 5 or whatever, the players will go to 2, 4 and 5. Because the problem is not in the weapons, it is in the BR System.
Because you must if you want to choose a lower br. If you are in br 4 or 5, there is no reason to choose a BA and it shouldn’t
Not me, but ok whatever.
If the Br system worked fine, maybe 1±, that wouldn’t be a problem (it is right now tho)
Ok, I understand that at high BRs BA rifles can be obsolete, I have no problem with this.
But then why do you want to make them obsolete at low/mid tiers too? Because that’s exactly what this buff will do. What is a benefit in this?
(Note: I assume we will ger BR±1 match making one day.)
Just move those few semis that are currently at BR2 to BR3. BR3 would be threshold where you can either finally get semis or stay with BAs that do have GLs.
Yes, it takes away a little bit variety from BR2, but my personal opinion is that’s worthy. Especially if all other BAs which are currently at BR3 are going to be put on BR2.
Or, you can keep first trash semis little bit differently. Keep dmg where it is but increase the dispersion at least, whatever.
It’s not like every Semis has to have same dmg completely. That’s not even a thing rn.
You are just too fatalistic. I think semis do need buff and especially those which are BR3+.
That’s just moving lower the problem you described in OP.
Now: semis are made obsolete by other weapons
After buff: BA (and low SMGs) are made obsolete by semis
I’m ok with buffing them, even though I don’t really feel a need but I don’t mind.
What I’m not ok is buffing them to do 20dmg as high damage is literalry the only benefit of BA rifles. Yeah there is also better accuracy but imo overall the dmg is more important (and that’s what enlisted’s develpoment history shows).
I don’t think so, they would not make them obsolete but okay.
As I’ve already stated, it would basically never be BA or semi.
BAs should stay on BR1-2 (3 with GL) and semis should be on BR 3 - 4 (5 with GLs).
I don’t understand why you still keep saying about something that semis would make BAs obsolete. Yes, they would. Just like any BR3 weapon would make BR2 weapon obsolete.
That’s literally the point.
I don’t want that. I want a reason to use semis in high tiers.
It’s hard to speak without a proper MM tho, because things could go anywhere.
But let’s say we end up having 1-2, (2-3)(3-4), 4-5.
All BA, even those with 10 rounds should be at Br 1 or 2. Those crapy SA -but buffed- could go to 3 (and all BA with GL too) and the “good ones” to 4. BR 3 would be a bet like it is now and it wouldn’t be that op against common ba.
BA are better than SA only because of their damage and accuracy.
Now make damage equal and increase accuracy of SA. You get a weapon that is somewhat less accurate and straight up better in everything else.
Why though? Imo weapons should overlap a bit so we have greater weapon divercity.
Why not propose a buff that won’t make BA rifles obsloete?
I don’t mind that one weapon makes the other one obsolete. But not that one weapon class makes the other class obsolete.
Though I guess it’s already happening and ppl are ok with this. SanDbOX my ass.