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Well, whats so good about KV2 then? Just because it can fight BR5 vehicles alone doesnât make it a good tank.
Heck âtheoreticallyâ Marder can penetrate regular Pershing and IS2 frontally with a bit of patience, but its still a deserved BR2 vehicle. Anti tank power alone shouldnât matter.
KV2 is absolutely worse against BR2 tanks than a KV1 because both one hit kill pretty much guaranteed while both have the same armor, only difference is that KV2 has no MG and reloads longer.
I dont see why KV2 needs to be a BR4 vehicle.
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Jagdpanzer IV is a terrible tank.
The L48 version has only 60mm of armor, and the L70 version is BR5.
Both versions are obsolete.
well maybe i once again exagerated a bit and well yea PZ 4 (specially J and H version) have good cannon average mobility, paper armor basically a glass cannon smt that at least for me i consider that the downiering the KV-2 cuz its big and long reload dont makes any sense since the pĂłwer of its cannon can literally blow a king tiger also it has as average armor (not bad not good), at least u could pretty much eat or bounce 1 shot due well the weird parameters of this game
That pic looks kinda interesting but i think that what hapens is cuz the damage model on testing range as robihr pointed out (btw hope it gets fixed one day)
peak examples of how powerfull kv-2 can be
well open top is the answer also even worse armor btw
if KV1 had better gun i would put it on BR4 cause it is too armored to be facing BR2.
why do i think that KV2 needs to stay on BR4? cause there is little difference in its performance whether it is on BR3 or BR4. it will have same performance against infantry and it will mostly destroy enemy tanks in one hit if you know what you are doing(including KT(H)). only difference is that BR2 tanks will have trouble with actually killing it and that it will kill tanks on BR2 without needing to aim.
btw not every tank needs to be peak performance for its BR. it is completely ok to have few underwhelming tanks on its BR if it means that lowering its BR will bring some problems.
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Guess Jagdpanther is the only tank which canât get killed by KV-2 frontally
like i said before⊠just shoot underneath the tank. you will either kill crew, set engine on fire or detonate the ammo rack. absolutely every tank is vulnerable if you shoot underneath it.
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I know that but Jagdpanther is still the only german tank which can survive a direct hit - shooting under him and splash him out is technically not a direct hit xD
many tanks can survive direct hit from KV2 if you shoot at wrong spot. had pz3b survive hit when i shot it at turret mantle.
How do you explain Pz.5?The Allied BR3 tank is totally a Dim sum in front of it. Almost impenetrable armor, high firing rate artillery.We have already discussed that KV-2 will not be better than KV-1 in BR3 or BR2, as poor loading will give you quite a few opportunities.
It can destroy Tiger2, but in BR4, it will lose the advantage of armor. A tank that only has lethal artillery but is useless in other aspects is not enough to attract people. Moreover, this artillery still has significant flaws.
The 88mm Flak 37 Sfl. has excellent artillery in all aspects due to poor armor, while the KV-2 has armor due to poor loading.They will only have advantages and disadvantages in BR3, and in BR4, there are only shortcomings.
Regarding the issue of BR2, I have already mentioned that Germany needs Marder (H), while the Soviet Union also needs KV-2 in BR3, otherwise they will have almost no resistance in the case of BR+1.Using tanks with significant defects to reduce the gap between different BRs has always been a good approach.
Thats my take - IF KV2 would be lowered to BR3, then you would give Soviets the thing they need - power to fight BR4 and BR5 vehicles.
KV1 and T34 STZ are absolutely menacing threats to deal with in both BR2 and BR3 matches - but they become completely useless in BR4. They cant even scratch Tigers and Panthers. T34 57 does have more penetration and can attack âokayishâ Panthers and Tigers frontally, but in return looses guaranteed one hit kill nukes of regular T34.
I see KV2 the same way - both KV1 and KV2 will always one hit kill everything, but KV2 reloads much much longer and as such simply has much less power in BR3 and BR2 matches.
It literally trades infantry support power and anti tank power for being not useless in higher BRs.
If KV2 would get added to BR3, I believe this would actually be a nerf to soviet tank power - specifically because some soviet players would bring in a KV2 just in case they get matched against BR4.
It would help the game flow in two parts at the same time - it would lower some of the KV1 dominance and help soviet players to not have zero chance when being uptiered.
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Alright, Iâll rephrase. You cannot pen anything frontally. )
What you have to hope for is overpressuring the top plate. Sure, you can get nice oneshots once in a while, but objectively its a meme tank for a reason. When an enemy can fire off 10 rounds while your 1 HE has a high chance of dissapearing, + you have no anti-infantry capability at all, you arenât exactly being OP.
gotta love the opening spawn of the game as an attacker!
The 1st spawn of the match needs work lol
There is no overpressure in this game - KV2 one hit kills Tiger II H guaranteed when shooting the turret low enough so that the explosion penetrates down into the crew and ammo part of the tank.
Thats what I meant, you have to try and pop the upper plate
Frontal penetration with 48mm of pen is impossible
so you are complaining about tank whose whole gimmick is about penetrating upper or lower plate about not being able to frontally penetrate tanks cause it only has 48mm penetration. with your logic putting we should be putting it on BR1 with rest of the tanks that have similar penetration(e.g. pzr. 3E or pzr. 3B).
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why do i have to explain devs decisions? if you check forum history, you will find me advocating for tanks to get better ammo when paired against tanks that they cant penetrate. BR3 should be able to penetrate BR4 even if they get shitty APCR ammo.
and i already said that i would put KV1 in BR4 if it had better gun(aka better penetration suited for BR4).
germany doesnt need anything in BR2 if KV-s arent in BR3. soviets could get APCR ammo on BR3 and then they could penetrate anything german on BR4.
considering that we should have ±1BR MM, BR3 doesnt need to face BR5. for BR3 soviets they could get APCR rounds for big cats.
problem with KV2 is that devs just dont think about introducing tanks in the game. KV2 is tank that is simply a meme and doesnt have its place cause it is too armored for lower tier and too slow firing for higher tier. it just doesnt translate well into the game. same thing happened with KT(H) which simply didnt have corresponding counter in any nation and they pushed for its introduction. or when they introduced jumbo with its counterpart being some pz4(H?), or when they introduced panther/tiger with their counterparts being m10 and m18.
if people were afraid of BR4 big cats, they would use t34-57, rather than KV2.
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