More Silly vehicles!

Hehe, it’s all good. I have ADHD, so I know exactly that. :slight_smile:

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At this point I think we should start considering the people without ADD or ADHD to be the messed up ones cause I swear EVERYBODY has this issue. Lol

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A lot of “modern” warfare was shared among most nations in the interwar era. The Nazis weren’t even a real threat until 1938.

I think we can both agree to disagree for the most part. It’s all good. I like learning, and I like the debate.

No harm, no foul.:slight_smile:

I wasn’t diagnosed until a few years ago, and I’m in my mid-40s!!! I honestly thought it was a kid’s disease…

When I was though, I was like, “ohhhh, that makes sense”… :smiley:

Ok, so I’m trying to gather a timeline here to try and prove at the very least that Hobart came up with these ideas first, and hopefully that’ll be enough to prove that the Nazis copied his work

So, Guderian stats in his book Panzer Leader that in 1929 he “became convinced” that tanks needed to be separate armored divisions with the support necessary for them to do their jobs. Technology needed to evolve beforehand though. Regardless, having them be alone or having them integrated into the infantry just isn’t going to work. This was based on his history studies and exercises carried out both in Germany, but also in Britain
In 1933, he pushed for radios in all tanks
The book he also wrote called Achtung-Panzer! Was written in 1937
So at the absolute earliest, 1929 was when he started working on evolving tank warfare

Hobart volunteers for the Tank Corp in 1923 after he gets out of college because he knew the potential tanks had at the time
By 1927 he has already fought for putting radios in tanks and has been teaching his men how to use them as well as creating new doctrine and tactics on tank warfare for years. Presumably, writing down his ideas and publishing them. Around 1927, he gains inspiration from the Mongols on their fast cavalry strikes deep into enemy territory at strategic locations to weaken their opponent

So Guderian only starts in 1929, and Hobart’s already pioneering the idea of using tanks for precise strikes deep into enemy lines for at most 2 years beforehand

Now, mobile warfare isn’t anything new, and there was a lot of developments in it during WWI. Especially towards the end. All nations were working hard on how to prevent static trench warfare and how best to combat it. I think it’d be an easy conclusion to say that Hobart was the genius behind the tank aspect of the Blitzkrieg that rocked through Europe in 1940. He started working on it 6 years before one of the credited minds behind it even began to think about it, and Guderian had Percy’s papers on himself at all times. I’d say that’s enough evidence for me

And you know for darn certain that isn’t any bias coming from me. It takes a lot out of me to admit a darn Red Coat did something! Lol

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Gotta love the dedication there fella. Kudos. :slight_smile:

As I mentioned a little earlier:

A lot of the modern warfare (and mobile warfare) doctrine was shared fairly equally among the europeans and western powers. So your timeline is very much on point, but the differences between the soon-to-be Allied and Axis powers became quite prominent by the outbreak of WWII.

Namely the CAS doctrine. And what would later be called the Blitzkrieg doctrine.

… I saw your edit… Damn you… I know you’re not being biased. But it takes a lot to remember that the colonials were way behind the europeans when it came to modern warfare. Too many easy fights, probably… :wink:

Oh, and it’s Redcoat… one word… :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh I know all too well how far behind we were in the early 20th century. In WWI we had to learn real fast how trench warfare worked and basically had to be trained by Entente forces in the middle of the warzone. We had our struggles, but had our moments like…oh frick what’s the name of that forest. Marine Corps forest what was its name! Belleau Wood. Right. At that battle where the Marine Corps showed the German army what’s good. Lol. Other than that though we were kinda strung along and told what to do by the others

By 1940, other than the M1, we were entirely and utterly outclassed in every way, shape, and form. Doctrine, tactics, tanks, planes, everything. Which is sad because we invented the plane. Least we remedied that issue fairly quickly. Lol. We slowly gained strength and modernized a fair bit while sitting on the sidelines. Still took another trial by fire, first with our equipment such as the M4 in British hands, then with our men after Pearl Harbor, to get our footing and become somewhat even with the rest. But yeah man, early 20th century warfare really kicked our rears. Lol. Good thing we learned our lesson and never demilitarized post WWII right? ….right?

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Whoops. My bad. Lol

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I feel like I’ve said something to this effect before…

Yup. Thankfully the USA took heed of Eisenhower’s prediction of the Military Infustrial Complex and never implemented it… right? … Right?? :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, we’re proper derailing the thread, so I’ll go back to my original point:

:smiley:

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The fact you know of his farewell address is odd, but really darn cool

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I’ve been studying warfare from the 19th century to present for over 30 years. I pretty much know all the go-to quotes at this point… lol. :slight_smile:

And of course, they acutally teach us stuff in school over here… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Well funnily enough in a book on the Fallsschirmjager Im reading, a German paratrooper in the War (fighting as infantry) on the Eastern Front mentioned a “two turret tank” which I assumed referred to one of these T35s.

(it could have been a T28 but that technically has 3 turrets and Im pretty sure by turret he meant gun turret not machine gun)

I would happily support some of Hobart’s ‘Funnies’ in game. Certainly a bridge laying vehicle, the ones that carried sticks to fill trenches, bulldozer blade tanks etc.

As well as regular bulldozers. There’s so much junk everywhere I believe bulldozers would be a useful vehicle to have for engineers. They were used a lot on D Day and in the Pacific.

Id suggest engineers or maybe engineer II can unlock a bulldozer and choose to spawn with or without it (like the current APC feature).
Then we could have the Seabees as a specific premium squad maybe with a unique weapon or vehicle.

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Ackchually its lobster :nerd_face: :lobster:

Jokes

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Whyioughta… :stuck_out_tongue:

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you can argue that it was developed way back in the 1800s with the prussan (then german) love for maneuver warfare

also i want this versio of the king tiger

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Sure, but we were talking about armoured warfare, not cavalry.

Dont you mean this one?

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I want neubaufahrzeug, a1e1 independent and tog 2

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