More Belt Fed Machine Gun selection

[WeedieMCtoke]

Germans had the MG42

British had the Vickers Machine Gun

Americans had the M1919

Soviets had the SG-43

[Kokishi]

In my knowledge, vickers and sg-43 used for towed weapon only, not primary weapons for MG gunner

[WeedieMCtoke]

to my knowledge the pictures all speak for themselves, though the last one needed a little technical support to figure itself out

each one of those guns can be mounted on a tripod, but yes you are correct about the SG-43 it usually was on a small 2 wheeled trailer

and when i say “Small Trailer” im not joking

[Kokishi]

lack of my english skill
that 2 guns mostly use on the tribod or trailer, not use without them except some exception

[WeedieMCtoke]

well i don’t mean for them to be usable for running and shooting from the hip/shoulder but it would be interesting to get a tripod version of them that you have to mount in order to fire it

[VoyoMayPL]

Your topic is very… lacking let’s say. You only posted pictures without any explanation and called it a day.
There is no info about: how would they work, who would have access to them, how would they differ from the other similar guns etc.

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I don’t want to be rude but from my point of view, your topic is only an idea without any specifics.

[WeedieMCtoke]

well lets see… how you access them… make them available in the gunner 2nd primary slot

How to use them… Exactly like the mortar… switch to it click the LMB and it will set the weapon up then you’ll be able to fire it,

ammo capacity… realistically x2 100 bullet cans refillable at ammo crates since they did equip these with 250 bullet tombstones x2 100 bullet belts is realistic

Overheat potential? OF COURSE YES.
Shootable? Sure make it dismount the MG so you have to set it back up again

that clear everything up?

[VoyoMayPL]

@115466271

that clear everything up?

More or less.

But I don’t like that part:

@115466271

make them available in the gunner 2nd primary slot

Taking whole MG nest out of your pocket is a bit meh in my opinion.

[WeedieMCtoke]

what don’t you find realistic about carrying a tripod in a bag on your shoulder and the belt fed MG that it goes with with your 2 hands?

idk maybe we could forgo the 100 round can and just make it a 50 round shoulder slung belt

i still think a soldier would be able to carry at least a single 100 round can along side the MG and tripod if they carried it like that guy in the photo so idk maybe x3 50 round belts would be a good middle ground cause you got 1 shoulder slung and can fit 2 in a 100 round can

[VoyoMayPL]

@115466271

and the belt fed MG that it goes with with your 2 hands?

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood, my bad. That sounds fine.

@115466271

i still think a soldier would be able to carry at least a single 100 round can along side the MG and tripod if they carried it like that guy in the photo so idk maybe x3 50 round belts would be a good middle ground cause you got 1 shoulder slung and can fit 2 in a 100 round can

It could use “U” button to switch between large ammo belt and small belt / patronentrommel.
(The same button is used to mount rifle grenade launcher.)

Also, would you be defenceless when not deployed? I hope you don’t want a rambo hip firing water cooled vickers.
(Obvious exeption would be german guns.)

[WeedieMCtoke]

you wouldn’t be able to hip fire these guns, because the way i proposed they work when you click the shoot button it will plant the MG & Tripod and you can hit the exit vehicle button to pick it back up

also rethinking the equip in 2nd slot thing… what about if you equip the tripod MG it takes up both primary weapon slots 1 for the MG and the 2nd for the Tripod

like placing them and picking them back up should take a few seconds, ya know to put the thing together and everything that’s a given

[VoyoMayPL]

@115466271

you wouldn’t be able to hip fire these guns, because the way i proposed they work when you click the shoot button it will plant the MG & Tripod and you can hit the exit vehicle button to pick it back up

I would make exeption for the german machine guns for obvious (I hope) reasons. But I have no idea what to give allies to balance it.

@115466271

also rethinking the equip in 2nd slot thing… what about if you equip the tripod MG it takes up both primary weapon slots 1 for the MG and the 2nd for the Tripod

I guess it could work. It would also prevent placing weapon by accident (so you want to shoot but you place tripod).
Although I would rather see gunner assistant carrying tripod. Well, I can dream.

[WeedieMCtoke]

well true german’s did have specially selected troops trained to hip fire the MG-42 but unless you were build like hafthor bjornsson you would most likely look like this if you tried to hip fire it

MG42 Hip-Firing

Hafthor Bjornsson

[VoyoMayPL]

I ment that for example vickers HAS TO be mounted on a tripod to fire, but MG42 or MG34 are prefectly normal LMGs and they should be possible to be used like LMGs, wihtout necesity to set up a tripod to fire them (like in case of the vickers).

[WeedieMCtoke]

yea i get what your saying the spade grip on the vicker’s, the thing about the MG-42 is that it was hardly accurate hip firing… it was more a case of ya missed 75 shots but atleast ya mowed down 3 entire units with the 25 that did hit.

think about it like this. realistic recoil would be about double the M2 Carbine on full auto.

[VoyoMayPL]

@115466271

the thing about the MG-42 is that it was hardly accurate hip firing

That’s why it should be a normal LMG with option to bipod and use sights.
And with usage of the tripod it could become an MMG (or whatever it’s called).

(One is MG34, the other one is MG42 but you get the point.)

[ghostofishmael]

Assault fires (firing from the hip)
Walking fires

All are in Germany army doctrine and coincidentally in US Army doctrine. Back during closed testing someone actually posted the manual for firing from the hip during an assault for the wehrmacht.

[WeedieMCtoke]

fire rate is the difference between the MG-34 and the MG-42 the MG-34 fires at 800-1000 rpm, the MG-42 fires at 900-1500 rpm

sure there’s a few variants of the MG-34 with higher fire rate like the MG 34 S and the MG 34/41 but we’ll just say for the sake of simplicity that we’re only talking about the base model of the MG-34

[VoyoMayPL]

I don’t understand why you posted this but yes.

[WeedieMCtoke]

well because the difference between 1000 rpm and 1500 rpm is the difference between 16 bullets per second and 25 bullets per second…