Lets post our own full BR "opinion firearm list" here

I think the main thread is all over the place, and its pretty difficult to discuss one specific topic, so lets leave vehicles out of the discussion here and completely focus on infantry weapons.

I’ll start by giving my opinion on all the Axis weapons I own - since I almost only play axis

-Bolt-action rifles:

In my opinion most bolt action rifles perform the same and should be BR1, yet there are two exceptions.

  1. Mannlicher 1895, this rifle is a fan favourite and deserves to be BR2, it has excellent sights and fires much faster than most bolt actions.

  2. VG.2, this rifle is rather weak - fires much slower than the starter bolt action rifles, but it has a detachable - fast reloading magazine. This is an obvious advantage over other rifles and deserves to be BR2

all the other later unlock bolt action rifles have too big downsides to them to be BR2 worthy, both the prewar K98k and the Gewehr 98 with the big magazine have potential, but have a terrible sight picture.

Rifles with grenade launchers are ignored in this list, I have no real opinion on them /never used them before.

-Semi Auto rifles:

When rating Semi autos, the most important stat differences are the potential of killing / downing in one single hit and the ability to quickly hit multiple targets, so here my list for them:

1.Armaguerra Mod.39, kills in one shot, is rather inaccurate and has a terribly small magazine - but its still a semi auto rifle, I personally would not pick it over a Mannlicher, still BR2 seems reasonable.

2.Gewehr 41, one hit kill rifle, definitely an improvement over most rifles so far, but the reload time is very very bad, I can see myself picking the Mannlicher over the Gewehr 41, its nice to “panic mag dump” your gun in close range, but the accuracy is not “perfect” enough to justify it being BR3.

3.VG 1-5, this one is special, stat wise it has very poor killing power - doesn’t kill in one shot, is a bit inaccurate and shoots rather slowly - but having a 30 round mag that can reload quickly is a very good thing to have, BR2 seems very reasonable to me. A firerate buff could make it fit better into BR3 though.

4.Gewehr 43, basically a Gewehr 41 with a much faster reload. Sights are good, damage is good, magazine is small but reloads fast, a very balanced gun over all and deserves BR3

5.Breda PG ( Semi auto )
plays like all the other mid tier rifles - but has a 20 round magazine, this alone increases its power and gives this rifle squad wipe potential.
Most likely a BR4 weapon

6.Mondragón, now a 30 round mag with one hit kills is special, right now my favourite semi auto rifle in the game, you can non stop drop enemies and can even spam fire in close range without having to fear a reload - yet its recoil is a bit stronger than other semi autos so BR4 seems logical.

-SMGs:

SMGs need good damage output, so a high rate of fire combined with a good base damage will most likely “make or break” a SMG, some early unlock SMGs, suffer from small mags combined with big dispersion, which truly makes them terrible, but full auto guns always have a place in this game, so here my list:

1.MP28, one of the worst weapons in the game, while having a bit higher rate of fire than the other starting SMGs, its 20 round magazine and terrible accuracy make this a true pile of trash - BR1

2.FNAB-43, while having a rather nice sight picture and a great 40 round magazine, it is still pure trash. 400 rounds per minute is terribly slow, you often get the chance at shooting two times with a regular bolt action rifle before being able to deal enough damage to kill one single target - its an improvement over the MP28, but still does not deserve to be in BR2.

3.MP34(O), this is the first decent SMG, it fires noticeably faster than the FNAB while being rather accurate. Should be BR2 instead of BR1.

4.MP 3008, stat wise identical to the MP34(O) - yet it has worse iron sights. Guess BR2 fits good enough.

5.Beretta M38 (20r), right now sitting in BR1 which is kinda ridiculous to me - yes it only has 20 round magazines, but we are still talking about one of the best SMGs in the game, in my book it should be increased to BR2.

6.Beretta M1918, this weapon is fast, like really fast, and thus empty in no time. The damage per second is very strong - yet its 25 round mag is noticeable and the magazine creates a bad sight picture. BR3 seems logical to me.

7.OVP M1918, basically the same weapon, BR3.

8.MP38, truly the definition of good enough, the fire rate is being fast enough to fight in close combat, while it being slow enough to effectively fight in mid range. BR3 fits very well.

9.MP40, yeah, a tiny bit faster rate of fire, also “feels” a small bit more accurate, still pretty much the same weapon. BR3

10.Beretta M1, this SMG is very much equal to the MP40, yet it has a bigger magazine - which is absolutely noticeable - I still don’t think this alone would justify a jump in BR, so it still fits into BR3.

11.ZK-383, good sights, very nice rate of fire, standard 30 round mag, and a not functioning bipod, this SMG seems rather unique and is definitely strong and an improvement over all earlier SMGs, fits into BR4.

12.MP35/I, this one is a mess to rate, it is “noticeably stronger than MP40s”, yet doesn’t make a too big difference to fit into BR4, guess it needs a bit of a change since it sits right between BR3 and BR4.

13.Beretta M38/42, kinda like a Beretta M1, works like a MP40 with a somewhat bigger mag. Still fits into BR3.

  1. Beretta M38(40 rounds), truly a masterful SMG, has the perfect rate of fire and accuracy to work very well in close and in midrange, fits perfectly well into BR4.

  2. Kiraly, very powerful damage per second, shredds right through people in close range, yet lacks mid range potential and is rather difficult to control, it works as a close range alternative to the Beretta. Should be lowered to BR4.

  3. MP717r, the German PPSH, not quite the power of the Kiraly, but infinitely easier to control, while also having an insanely big magazine. Doesn’t have quite the power to compete with select fire weapons - especially at mid to long range starts to lack in power. BR4 is logical.

  4. MP-41(r), again a PPSH, however this version has a 32 round MP40 mag, while shooting even faster than the regular PPSH - very strong but empty very quick BR4 still fits well.

  5. Cönders MG, feels very much like a PPSH, 1000 rounds per minute but with a 100 round belt. melts through enemies, BR4.

19.Beretta 1918/30, fires a bit slowly and has a rather small 25 round mag, fits well into BR2.

20.VMP 1926, this one is pretty nice, 40 round mag, high rate of fire, good accuracy, deserves to be BR4.

21.Erna EMP, very comparable to the MP35/1, difficult to rate, the suppressor is a nice gimmick tho, guess arguably goes into BR4.

-Assault rifles / Battle rifles:

Select fire weapons combine the close range power of SMGs with the long range power of rifles, and thus obviously belong very high on the list:

1.STG 44, much superior to all the SMGs listed before, the power to mow down enemies at mid range equally well as close range is making this a true Meta gun, deservers BR5 without a doubt.

  1. MP 43/1, basically the same gun, just with overall worse stats, yet still deservers BR5 since it is without a doubt superior to all other SMGs.

3.MKB 42(H), now this one is special, it keeps the mid range power of the STGs, however shoots noticeably slower, it does indeed lack a bit in close range power and gets seriously outperformed by Kiraly and PPSH close up. This one is a competitor to the Beretta 40 rounder and should be BR4 instead of BR5.

4.FG 42, very very powerful weapon, it has a very high rate of fire, while still killing in one single hit, this makes this gun a true Meta gun that performs insanely good in a direct player vs player fight. Also compared to STGs, it has overall greater mid range potential and with good aimed hits outperforms most semi auto rifles with its 20 round magazine.
Obviously BR5.

5.FG 42 II, same weapon, but easier to control in full auto - while having much worse sights for aimed single shots.
BR5.

6.Gewehr 43 chambered in 8mm kurz, received some nerfs in the past most noticeably in semi auto rate of fire - yet still very unique and powerful. Performs equal to STGS, but its burst mode helps a bit better at saving ammo better.
Deserves BR5.

7.Breda PG, Burst. one hit kills, nice 20 round mags, but somewhat harder to make it work than Gewehr 43 chambered in 8mm kurz.
Still deservers BR5 as its basically a FG42/ G43 kurz hybrid.

8.MKB 42 (W)
basically the same as the other MKBs - yet feels a tiny bit less accurate.
BR4.

  1. Mkb 35/III, despite being basically an assault rifle, this one seems lacking quite alot.
    Small mag, not good enough damage, and very poor rate of fire.
    still decent at mid range - BR3 should fit here.
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Hellcat and Jumbo should switch places

thank you for not even reading the first sentence.

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What a great analysis, unfortunately I can’t really comment much since I play exclusively allies but I have been on the receiving end of all of those weapons and I agree with you wholeheartedly

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US should get M1 Garand in BR3.
USSR gets SVT-38 in BR3.
Germany gets G41 in BR3.

A lot of weapons if they want to keep their BR needs adjusting. Like MG34 recoil is PUBG levels of recoil

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No thanks, US will completely dominate Axis with M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Lanchester with 50 mags, and especially three different BARs. While Axis has only average mp40, mg34 (that can’t compete against accurate M1918A2) and G41 that has reload speed of almost 5secs. If you move that to BR3 then i want Mkb42 as a counter to BAR at BR3 and buffed G41 otherwise there are no point in playing as Axis anymore.

yea, G41 is definitely the worst of those three, while if you change it with the G43, the Garand might be the worst of those - bad sights and less ammo.

but the jump in power between G43 vs SVT and M1 is much lower than if you would put the G41 in there.

This is why I suggested some weapon tuning. They all 3 could be brought to an even playing field.

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that is true, and I guess even inevitable. there seem to be alot of weapons that sit somewhere between BRs, nerfs and buffs will most likely come soon or later.

I never thought I would ever see in a WW2 game people complaining about facing the M1 Garand

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This :point_up_2:

Also M1A1 and BSA Thompson should be T3, M1918A2 should be T4, and it would be nice if the PPSh/MP717 could be no higher than T4.

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it’s not just a single gun it’s a mass of superior weapons that US have compared to the Axis at that tier.

And what about Enfield and SMLE?
GL should be Tier III because they are spammable as hell. GL M1903 was best boost for my Pacific Allies grind.

well I only listed German weapons, I have tried SMLEs and they are very good, especially the scoped version is amazing. But again, I don’t think they deserve BR3, even the best BA in a direct fight will perform the same as the worst BA, in the end all you need is one hit.

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I was only curios because the VG2 was tier 2 and I think you stated it because it has a magazine so I wasnt sure how you would think about clips.

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well both have 10 rounds in them, the VG however reloads much faster then the enfields, which still also have 10 rounds.

VG cycles slower, in my book its a trade off… I would put them both into BR2

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Based on this one, I would have PPD-34/38, PPD-40 and PPSh box on BR 3 while PPSh drum on BR 4 as PPSh should not share BR as assault rifles and battle rifles.

Same should also apply to PPSh drum and the premium one.

I do agree Mkb 42(H) is in an awkward position especially with the lack of a .5 area on BR.

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So long as the vehicles BR is set so they don’t completely dominate what they face, I’m fine. You know, so a vehicles weapon can at least damage what they are shooting at and vice versa. Ultimately, most of the small arms perform the same for the average joe, just certain ones are meta like the Fedorov, STG and M2.

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I got no problem with US getting access to a better semi Auto first. Aysmmetry and what not. Its pretty iconic. That and I love the g41 regardless of what the guy Im shooting at has.

Give and take is fair, compare m1 carbine to VG-15 for example.

Where is the johson semi auto? On paper it looks preferable to the garand and great sights…but for me the the first round in a salvo is always a blank…completely disappears. makes it pure unreliable trash (IMO ofcourse).

SMLE is very good and one of my favourites, But it is notciably on the slow side. to the point where I would take certain 5-6 round rifles over it (if I was being pedantic). So no need for it being BR III

My opinion is no Rifle belongs in BR 3 “unless” it has an anti infantry grenade launcher (at grenade launcher can probably go lower…cant say ive really tried it)

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