Reportedly, about 4000 Sherman tanks were delivered to the USSR during WW2, so it wouldn’t be some weird one-off case like many other things are in Enlisted.
Wouldn’t it be nice to have it available for Soviets at BR3 as event or in the tech tree?
(not an overpriced premium squad, please)
Why not? They already get 100rd Thompsons so why bother at this point?
I don’t see any problems with it being a event but not in the tech tree.
sure, they could give USSR an early production model M4A2 since the one in game is late production so it would be a bit more unique than just a copy paste, though it would be slightly weaker too.
I’m all for an Br3 event Sherman, plus it would’ve been a nicer reward than the KV-1 tank skin for the VE day event.
And add the M4A3 both 75mm and 76mm to US TT while they’re at it, please
hopefully not, we already have a premuim soviet sherman
I mean that was technically a uniquely Soviet thing, to my knowledge none of the US military branches used the 100 round drum with their Thompsons (does mean that the US 100 round thompson paratrooper squad is almost certainly ahistorical but there does seem to be a lot more leeway in that regard for non-techtree squads).
All lend lease ground vehicles were premium so far
Valentine, m3 lee, m3a1 truck, Sherman…
The only exception are lend lease planes.
True
so why not change that up a little
Yeah，A event sherman in br3 SV.
This would have worked well for VE day reward instead of random kv 1 skin. I would definitely use it over t-34 since it has stabilizer, better HE and better gun depression
And we could have had an new squad for it, but that would’ve been a unlikely
What a upgrade, eh? Going from a premium squad (paratroopers even, who would be the least interested in bulky mags) for a country that probably never used them to a event squad (not so exclusive, quite common to see in games actually) for a country that definetly never had them.
We have the documents of exactly what was sent to the USSR and when as lend-lease, none list 100-round thompson mags, and the Soviets were not in the habbit of purchasing foreign small-arms either. It’s a dream scenario just to give the Soviets the best toys.
Well you say that, but the Soviets actually did purchase a lot of foreign equipment during the interwar period such as the Vickers 6 ton (which was adapted into the T-26) and the Christie tank suspension system (which was used on the BT-5 and BT-7). In fact, many of the factories which ended up vital for the Soviet War effort were actually of American origin.
As for the Thompsons in particular, the guns in question were purchased for NKVD usage through Mexico during the early 1920s, long before domestic designs like the PPD were available. Hell we even have photographic evidence of these guns.
The more observant among the audience might notice something interesting about this particular example.
(resent this message because I forgot to use the reply thing)
I like how you brought up tanks to refute the point about small arms purchases.
Yes, the only outlier were were the inter-war smuggled Thompsons, which we have no data on the the exact numbers but it’s very improbable that they exceeded a couple of hundred in total.
Great, we have photo evidence that 1 out of the 50-100 100-round mags ever made ended up in Russia, I suppose that clearly means they had more, likely enough to outfit a full squad (with spares!), warrenting a event squad which by the nature of being a event means they’ll be even more common than the premium examples from the country of origin!
Not to mention, they ended up copying from the tanks they recieved, rather than paying for them, reinforcing the point that the Soviets didn’t fancy procuring foreign made stuff. The few people ever even interested in doing business with them got swindled.
Okay yea that was my bad, I mis-read “foreign small arms” as foreign equipment in general.
But anyways, the point is that is it known that the NKVD had purchased some quantity of M1921 Thompsons and we have at least one primary source (that photo) that confirms the hundred round drum mag was among the items part of the purchase. Trying to argue about the probably unprovable figure of the exact number of guns or 100 RND mags purchased is basically just goalpost moving, the important thing is that the M1921 with the 100rnd mag was equipment that is historically confirmed to have been in NKVD service. The fact that there were probably only a couple hundred of the interwar purchase Thompsons in service is perfectly fine for an event squad.
Yea, they copied the designs via a licensing agreement. Also to my knowledge the USSR also did purchase some actual 6 ton models.
But not for the mags. 50 round drums would have been perfect, 100 drums are a fantasy.
What I’ve found is that they too were swindled just like Christie. The Soviets made a one-time payment for some models, then instead of setting up fruther purchases or liscensing agreements (which was the hope of Vickers) they just cut contact. They were one-time deals, that then were studied and copied, no liscensing agreements, no royalties, no compensation for lost business (you really think the Soviets cared enough to set them up, or would even allow foreign oversight to see that they were compliant?).
